Saruman's ending (PJ's way) P.S. Spoilers! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Encaitare · 10-29-2004, 09:13 PM

Wait a second -- he's at the top of Orthanc? As in the same place where he did those crazy magic tricks to make the avalanche on Caradhras?

That's bogus. Doesn't he know he's got a nifty balcony for the express purpose of berating unwanted visitors?

Imladris · 10-29-2004, 10:12 PM

Does it really matter where Saruman talks to them just as long as he talks to them?

gorthaur_cruel · 10-29-2004, 10:18 PM

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Wait a second -- he's at the top of Orthanc? As in the same place where he did those crazy magic tricks to make the avalanche on Caradhras?

Judging by everything from the trailers and screenshots, yes.

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Does it really matter where Saruman talks to them just as long as he talks to them?

No, but I'm just curious. I think this is one of those moments where PJ changed the book for no reason at all. It's not like having him talk from the top of Orthanc will impress anybody more than talking from the balcony. In fact, it actually does matter, in a way. In addition to Legolas' arrow not reaching Wormtongue, how are they supposed to hear the infamous voice of Saruman?

Boromir88 · 10-30-2004, 05:34 AM

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Er. Isn't he dead by this point?

SpM, lol yes, it would appear as if I had a mindlapse there for a moment, thanks for catching it, lol

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Imladris, ya, I really don't see the big deal about having Saruman talk on the top, or from the balcony. I'm more interested to see how the Tolkienist Chris Lee portrays Saruman's voice. Whether it be the powerful, commanding Saruman, or the "honeyed" beggar Saruman.

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No, but I'm just curious. I think this is one of those moments where PJ changed the book for no reason at all. It's not like having him talk from the top of Orthanc will impress anybody more than talking from the balcony. In fact, it actually does matter, in a way. In addition to Legolas' arrow not reaching Wormtongue, how are they supposed to hear the infamous voice of Saruman?

It is an "unnecessary" change, but I don't see the relevance on where Saruman speaks from. Even if Legolas' arrow can't reach Wormtongue (mathematically), there have been stranger things in Tolkien, duh duh duh. For instance, talking swords. Point I'm trying to make, is, it's not a big deal thing that Saruman will speak from the top, and not the balcony. (Atleast in my opinion).

Encaitare · 10-30-2004, 08:37 PM

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In addition to Legolas' arrow not reaching Wormtongue, how are they supposed to hear the infamous voice of Saruman?

My question exactly. So Orthanc is supposed to be around 170 yards tall -- not particularly huge for a tower, but an awfully long distance for holding a conversation. He'll have to shout down at them if he wants to be heard!

Nuindacilien · 10-31-2004, 12:52 PM

So the scouring isn't going to be in the EE? I heard somewhere that it was. Hm. I guess we'll just have to wait.
I guess that way of killing Saruman is okay. It's a little weird, though. PJ really should have put the Scouring in there. I was looking forward to that and HoH!

~Nuindacilien

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-31-2004, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuindacilien

So the scouring isn't going to be in the EE? I heard somewhere that it was.

No. I am pretty sure that it was never filmed (other than for the vision that Frodo saw in Galadriel's Mirror). In any event, if the additional 50 minutes of material in the EE was to include the Scouring, then there would be a lot less room for the other material that we all eagerly anticipate.

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Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	Does it really matter where Saruman talks to them just as long as he talks to them? __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

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Nuindacilien Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 12	So the scouring isn't going to be in the EE? I heard somewhere that it was. Hm. I guess we'll just have to wait. I guess that way of killing Saruman is okay. It's a little weird, though. PJ really should have put the Scouring in there. I was looking forward to that and HoH! ~Nuindacilien __________________ I have nothing profound to say here, so I'll just ramble on for a bit.....

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Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Wait a second -- he's at the top of Orthanc? As in the same place where he did those crazy magic tricks to make the avalanche on Caradhras? That's bogus. Doesn't he know he's got a nifty balcony for the express purpose of berating unwanted visitors?