Science AND Faith in Middle-earth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

davem · 11-03-2004, 10:06 AM

Ok, I'm not wishing to imply that a 'miraculous' event doesn't involve 'natural' phenomena, merely that there will be a spiritual dimension to it which will be percieved in some way by an observer, & that will inspire the true eucatastrophic feeling - ie, a purely 'natural' event, an accident, a fluke, won't. Eucatastrophe requires the supernatural dimension/intervention. That supernatural dimension may not be blatant, it may be ignorable - it may even not be percievable by some of those who witness the event (if they are not sufficiently 'spiritually aware'), but if that supernatural/Divine element is not present then no-one will have the eucatasatrophic experience.

In short, the eucatastrophic experience is an 'inner' response to an 'outer' phenomenon ('inner'=within the world, 'outer' = external to the world). Its a response to the Divine, & the Divine must be present to inspire it.

11-03-2004, 10:06 AM	#13
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Ok, I'm not wishing to imply that a 'miraculous' event doesn't involve 'natural' phenomena, merely that there will be a spiritual dimension to it which will be percieved in some way by an observer, & that will inspire the true eucatastrophic feeling - ie, a purely 'natural' event, an accident, a fluke, won't. Eucatastrophe requires the supernatural dimension/intervention. That supernatural dimension may not be blatant, it may be ignorable - it may even not be percievable by some of those who witness the event (if they are not sufficiently 'spiritually aware'), but if that supernatural/Divine element is not present then no-one will have the eucatasatrophic experience. In short, the eucatastrophic experience is an 'inner' response to an 'outer' phenomenon ('inner'=within the world, 'outer' = external to the world). Its a response to the Divine, & the Divine must be present to inspire it. __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."