LOTR Astrology Project (Introduction)

[THE Ka]

hee hee . Sounds like your talking about me... (i'm a sun sign: scorpio, moon sign: pisces or in other words the biggest rebel around.)

Good point. But, i'm still curious about something. Yes, Cancers are willing to start their own family as well as helping their own, but with all water signs is their basic foundation. Emotion! All water signs are controled by their emotions. Interesting thing though, scorpios may not be into the whole "family" idea but, they do govern a partial aspect of love.

"Water signs are plastic, unstable, reflective, reponsive and fertile. The keyword for the water signs is "emotion" for water has to do with our emotional vehicles and the astral level of expression...
Scorpio, the Fixed water sign represents the control and mastery of the meotional nature throgh loving Will...
Scorpio is 'the stagnant waters of the marshes; unhealthy and hidden things which must be brought to light and transmuted.' " (Astrology a cosmic science, Isabel M. Hickey)

So, now we still can say Boromir does have feelings but, he's not the "emotional genorator" as Cancer is. Scorpio's are emotional sponges, soaking up every emotional response to a person, place or thing to better understand it. Also Scorpio is what is known as a "Mental" sign. They would rather use their minds then brute reasoning. I can see this when boromir tries to perswade Frodo (a Libra) to take up his advice and road home. Only problem is that Libra's take forever to make up their mind, (the whole scale ideal) weighing out everything to make the best choice. Frodo might have been thinking only on the present, but Boromir had been collecting emotional information on him for months. (Scorpios make excellent stalkers, spies, ect.) And i think that might had been why boromir was impatient to act. He saw in the situation that if he had the most information on this choice than fordo did, why shouldn't frodo take it up? Ending result: Undecision+Calculated Perswasion= CONFLICT.

Another aspect that would be good to know is what makes a fixed sign a fixed sign?
"the fixed signs are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. the fixed signs manifest as "Will". They follow the Cardinal signs. They are the most consistent and persistent of the signs. They are reticent and non-committal on first approach. The force in fixed signs becomes a quiet, organizing force. Fixed signs indicate action motivated by principles. They are unswervingly stubborn and will never deviate form a set path unless they want to do so. They are the planners, theformula makers, and the construtors. The fixed signs are the most difficult to describe for their basic motivations are seldom obvious and they do not reveal them willingly. They are reservoirs of energy and power. They have a definite pattern and resist all outer interference that will alter it." (Isable M. Hickey)

From this wonderful description, I can see that this seems to describe the dwarves more than Boromir but, some aspects do mention some patterns of his. At first, Boromir never bothers with Frodo with questions. Later on though, it becomes very apparent what Boromir is after. Another influence is what the ring did to Boromir. Both the ring and Sauron are wonderful examples of the Darker side of scorpio, or the Pluto aspect of pluto, not the Minerva aspect (I will explain this in a later essay). One aspect of any scorpio weither positive or negative is control. What the difference is how they recieve that position. A more positive scorpio would build up allinences of loving will, or friendly persuasions through motivation. A darker scorpio aspect would be ruthless and destructive to make their point known and demands made. With this in mind, we can see that the ring didn't own Boromir, but gave him a more seemingly at that point in time better advantage. Scorpios' like to stay ahead of the game at all costs. This is one reason why they are known for stamina and deturnmination.

As I mentioned before, Boromir is not without emotions. Scorpio governs generation, degeneration, and regeneration. Scorpio individuals have strong passions that need regenerations. Or how Isabel M. Hickey explains:

"Scorpios are truly powerful when they do not seek power for self, but seek to be used by the power to heal and bless others. Their goals are reached by service, purity, compassion, and humility. When they serve others and forget themselves they are truly dynamic and majestic. Scorpios are not likely to have a happy marriage until they have redeemed and transformed their natures. Yet marriages and relationships are extremely important for them. Their regeneration lies in learning to be cooperative and outgoning towards others." (Isabel M. Hickey)

Scorpios (I should know this...) would love nothing more than to live out their lives alone on Private Islands away from the world and others. But, unfortunately, we can't. In other words, Scorpio the passionate, must become Pisces the Compassionate.

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As for Faramir, I am not really sure. But, i see more of a Sagittarius or Pisces than Cancer. Faramir is willing to change on dime you might say, something both these signs are able to do.

As for a keywords of the day, here they are:

Cardinal signs (Cancer, Libra, Aries and Capricorn): interested in crisis, in activity and what is going on.

Fixed Signs (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius) : Interested in values and ideas.

Mutable Signs (Gemini, Virgo, Pisces and Sagittarius): Interested in people and relationships.

Hope you all enjoy.

~Ka~

[Elennar Starfire]

It seems the more I read the less I know...I've got a lot of catching up to do.

At least there seems to be agreement that Boromir is a Water sign, if not which one.

[THE Ka]

yes, i think we've got that covered. but, just wait until i bring up Gandalf! That's going to be a big mystery...

[THE Ka]

I was going to go on with the rest of the water sign essays but, i think i will hold off until we all can discuss them. I don't want to exclude anyone from this project, because i really don't like the idea of leaving anyone behind. So, just to prepare everyone, instead of reading about every other sign, read as much as you can about just Pisces. That is going to be the next sign in discussion. Also try to check out on astrologycom.com about relations... even if they are in the context of a "love" relationship, they still can show a lot of information that will be helpful. i would suggest just to stick with Pisces for now.

Hope this can help everyone.

~Ka~

[Elennar Starfire]

Here it is, all the info you can get from World Book Encylcopedia, condensed by 'Leny. (now you all don't have to go digging through all those encyclopedias for the seperate articles on each sign!)
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The Zodiac

Aries, The Ram: 22 March-19 April
Fire sign, ruled by Mars
Bold, courageous, determined, energetic, hot-tempered, impatient, strong, lose interest quickly in tasks that require much time, like excitement and variety.

Taurus, The Bull: 20 April-20 May
Earth sign, ruled by Venus
Affectionate, conservative, loyal, stubborn, patient, trustworthy, appreciate beauty, comfort, and nature, move slowly, may be lazy, finish what they begin, "down-to-earth", not talkative, hold grudges, even-tempered, but fierce when angered.

Gemini, The Twins: 21 May-20 June
Air sign, ruled by Mercury
Curious, lively, moody, restless, two-sided personality, sees both sides of an issue, change moods quickly, indecisive, talkative, witty, talents for communication and language.

Cancer, The Crab: 21 June-22 July
Water sign, ruled by the Moon
Artistic, emotional, home-loving, instinctive, patriotic, shy, intuitive, sensitive, put dreams over reality, can be hard to get along with, sometimes selfish, aware of public needs.

Leo, The Lion: 23 July-22 August
Fire sign, ruled by the Sun
Cheerful, colourful, generous, kind, proud, powerful, energetic, good leaders, enjoy being the center of attention.

Virgo, The Virgin: 23 August-22 September
Earth sign, ruled by Mercury
Careful, efficient, modest, practical, tidy, intelligent, often have an interest in health, find fault with things other people think unimportant, critical, rely on reason, work in the background, may seem unsympathetic.

Libra, The Scales: 23 September-22 October
Air sign, ruled by Venus
Companionable, diplomatic, friendly, intelligent, pleasant, thoughtful, like balance and harmony, dislike conflict and sudden changes, good at patching up quarrels, indecisive, compromise easily, have an eye for beauty.

Scorpio, The Scorpion: 23 October-21 November
Water sign, ruled by Mars and Pluto
Aggressive, intense, moody, passionate, secretive, quick-tempered, often get respect rather than affection.

Sagittarius, The Archer: 22 November-21 December
Fire sign, ruled by Jupiter
Cheerful, enthusiastic, generous, outgoing, relaxed, warm, like to be surrounded by friends, have trouble following direction, spend money impulsively, thoughtful, fond of exploring ideas, good at far-sighted desicions, like change and travel, independent.

Capricorn, The Goat: 22 December-19 January
Earth sign, ruled by Saturn
Ambitious, cautious, dignified, patient, persistent, practical, don't have much of a sense of humour, enjoy challenge of difficult problems, don't rush into friendships, loyal, stubborn.

Aquarius, The Water Bearer: 20 January-18 February
Air sign, ruled by Saturn and Uranus
Curious, independent, modern, serious, open-minded, outgoing, don't respect tradition, logical and scientific, have many friends but are hard to get to know well, avoid close relationships, support social/political causes with great enthusiasm, enjoy shocking people with their behavior.

Pisces, The Fishes: 19 February-20 March
Water sign, ruled by Jupiter and Neptune
Emotional, friendly, imaginative, intelligent, sensitive, vague, ruled by emotions, talented, have trouble with practical problems, retreat from reality, have a keen awareness of other people's moods, have trouble commiting to long-term action, drift from one thing to another.

The Planets

Mercury-talkative and witty
Venus-beauty and love
Saturn-disciplined
Uranus-change and disturbance
Mars-force and violence
Pluto-secrecy
Jupiter-wise and friendly

The Houses

1st-appearance and personality
2nd-possessions
3rd-family relations
4th-parents
5th-children
6th-health
7th-friends and marriage
8th-death
9th-travel
10th-career
11th-ideals
12th-illness and sorrow
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Hope that's useful to someone. If Ka has any corrections, she's probably right. Oh, and the dates vary slightly depending on your source.

I would say Boromir is a Cancer, not a Scorpio. Cancers are "patriotic, aware of public needs, and sometimes selfish". Boromir rationalizes taking the ring as protecting the people of Gondor. He also wants the personal glory.

[THE Ka]

that's really good! The only thing you forgot was the planet neptune, which is okay, many sources sometimes do forget "the cosmic santa claus"...

i do kinda agree that Boromir is more of a Cancer, given that he's not very reserved like a Scorpio... which is one of the biggest points to reconize us. But, he does seem to later change into the beggings of one... but, could this be Sauron's or the Ring's effect on his mind/decisions? Sauron/Ring are some of the most obvious and clear seen Scorpio's who have chosen the easy road... in other words, dark scorpios. some words to describe dark scorpios are:

Ruthless

Destructive

Tribulation

Obsession

Disintegration

Submersion

Instinctive Force

these are all aspects or keywords to the negative expression of Pluto(dark side), the other side being Minerva (Light side)...
Sometimes these are not pointed out very clearly and confuse people, making them to believe that Pluto is just a planet of really bad things. This example is how Pluto works both negatively and positively.

"Coinciding with the discovery of Pluto was the famous kidnapping of the Lindberg baby. Pluto was given rulership over kidnapping. However, only those spiritually tuned in could see the Minerva aspect at work. Up until this time, there were no federal lawsthat were enforced against kidnapping. Throught that kidnapping, the legislature was able to get laws passed which henceforth would protect all children." (Astrology , a cosmic science. p.291)

As you can see, Pluto works by bringing issues up to the surface so they have to be confronted, not side-stepped like a crab. Another aspect we could say is that boromir is a Sun sign: Cancer, Moon sign: Scorpio. Both of which would explain him clearly. Your sun sign is your basic make-up. How you look, act, think, ect. You moon sign effects you also but, not as strongly. In other words, your moon sign is like spices on a ham. It's there but, not in the general view.
i hope i haven't confused every one now...

Once again good job by posting all the signs. Like i said before, maybe this will attract more BD's to come and join.

Good job to all. This is turning out very well.

[Encaitare]

Hmm... Scorpio as a moon sign? Perchance.

'How deep is your love?' With the Moon in Scorpio, depth, passion and intensity imbue your relationships. You are able to inspire others as you will not shirk in the face of unpleasant situations and can speak up for the underdog. You know no fear, and will not be put off by society's views when it comes to choosing who is in your life. But you keep many emotions under wraps, and others can be unaware of your true feelings until you let rip at the last straw. Time alone is important for you to process your feelings and come to terms with some of the injustices of the world. You are no lightweight ,superficial, social animal but you have a strong moral conscience. When tragedy hits, you are a survivor and will return scarred but ready to face life again. Your strong intuition and psychic abilities allow you to see below the surface. (Moon Signs in the Zodiac)

The last bit, "scarred but ready to face life again" certainly reminds me of Boromir's corruption and redemption. I feel that Boromir certainly must have some strong aspects of Scorpio at work within him; whether it's his sun sign or moon sign is open to interpretation.

Will be sure to research Pisces over the next couple of days.