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Old 12-08-2004, 06:12 PM   #1
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What is it that let's a Thing talk?
But we must first establish the nature of the Thing. Does it have sentience or is it a mere automaton programmed to respond in a certain way in specified circumstance (like a computer)?

I would regard Aghan's Faithful Stone (and William Huggins' purse for that matter) as falling in the latter category. But Gurthang appears to display a sentience that is independent of the one who made it.

The again, perhaps Eol had developed the craft of creating Artificial Intelligence.
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Old 12-09-2004, 05:12 AM   #2
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Gurthang doesn't talk. Turin, or rather Tolkien through Turin, is projecting his other, conflicting personal torments: In his despair he justifies his imminent act (of suicide) by focusing on all the ill-things that he had done with ihis sword i.e. accidently killing Beleg, Brandir etc etc.

Not many animals do talk in the books. The Eagles of Manwe had been blessed by him and were a special case - their unusual size, for example. In the First Age they provide a valuable function for the Valar to keep an eye on Morgoth (Thorondor et al are an ominous sign to Morgoth that the Valar have not completely forsakened Beleriand).

Gwahir is descended from this special race and possesses, therefore, some of their unique characteristics.

Many lesser Maiar are said to have inhabited animal forms in Valinor. It is perfectly plausible to suppose animals could be given a "spirit" by those powerful enough to do so. The Thrush is said to be descended from a family of talking thrushes, they must have been endowed with their talking trait through unrecorded History.

My other guess is that Radaghast had some influence on using some animals for good (remembering that the Istari had been in ME for over 2 thousand years). He may have imparted (acting as an agent) some of his maiaric spirit into certain animals for some (mostly) unknown purpose.

There are tantalizing enigmas that Tolkien leaves for us to make our own mind up about.
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Old 12-09-2004, 07:47 AM   #3
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Gurthang doesn't talk. Turin, or rather Tolkien through Turin, is projecting his other, conflicting personal torments: In his despair he justifies his imminent act (of suicide) by focusing on all the ill-things that he had done with ihis sword i.e. accidently killing Beleg, Brandir etc etc.
That's certainly a valid interpretation, but I wouldn't state it as a simple fact. There is something to be said for taking the text at face value as well.
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