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A Mere Boggart
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Looking at the chapter, it is clear it is a tale with a moral, and intended to demonstrate how easily tragedy can result from sins. In the figures of Eol and Turgon we have two males who are intensely proud, one of his independence as someone who has lived in that land all his life, and one proud of his heritage and the empire he has created in this land which he sees he must ’save’. In Maeglin we see someone who is desirous of renown, power and Idril; and in Aredhel, someone who appears to want her own freedom, but does not entirely know her own mind. Power, corruption and lies? Or more secrets and lies?
Firstly, Aredhel clearly was of an independent, enquiring mind, as it appears it was a struggle for her to break free of the bonds of her brother. His concern is that Gondolin is not discovered by way of ‘loose tongues’, and she is only concerned with wanting to see what lies beyond the walls. She defiantly says to Turgon: Quote:
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As to what Eol did wrong in pursuing Aredhel and Maeglin to Gondolin, there is little that is wrong. He was away and came home to find his wife and child gone and so followed them, along the way having his pride hurt and provoked by Curufin: Quote:
I think part of the reason that Eol is put to death is due to Turgon’s own hurt pride; he must make ‘show’ of punishing the interloper, the one who has caused the death of his sister, albeit inadvertently. I do not think this was right applying my own morals to the tale, but it was inevitable, as were the resulting actions of Maeglin.
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You might be interested in this thread, which discusses Aredhel at some length.
I was initially skeptical of the viewpoint that Eol only married Aredhel primarily because of his lust. However, after further review, I've changed my mind. The way that he tried to control her indicates that to some extent he viewed her, and Maeglin as well, as possessions rather than as people. I think that if Eol had been more concerned about her as a person he would have discussed with her rather than decreed to her. However, this type of thing is no uncommon problem between people.
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That's right Kuru, this tale is truly applicable in our world.
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I often think of Turgon and Eol as being like two immovable political forces - they remind me of the aboriginal inhabitant of a country versus the more powerful settlers; we see Eol with his mysterious dreamlike powers, and Turgon with his political and military power. And I also think of Mike Leigh films with the whole sorry tale of power in family relationships.
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Well, in fairness to Turgon, protecting his territory meant more than defending the piece of ground. It also meant protecting the lives of his people, for whom he bore responsibility.
Seeing at it from his perspective, look at all the trouble letting her go caused. In fact, it ultimately did cause the fall of Gondolin.
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Although this whole Eol/Maeglin business really only speeded it up. Morgoth was growing in strength all the time.
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To me, making it near impossible for her to leave again is hardly a little thing to do - I don't think it makes him evil, but he was setting up the situation to best suit him. It didn't seem to be Aredhel's choice, although she seemed to be happy enough with her life thereafter. Quote:
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