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Old 12-15-2004, 07:51 PM   #1
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The Hobbit's Age- Didn't bother me at all, surprisingly enough.

Wargs- Though they are a far cry from the books description of the wargs (IMO), the new version of them didn't bother me very much.

Elves at Helm's Deep- One of the bigger changes and yet it is on this list, strange. But it seemed to fit well with the story (although I didn't think the Galadriel/Elrond telepathy scene before that fit nearly as well) & I could find no problems with it that I lost sleep over.

Wizard Fight- Though I wouldn't say it's one of my favorite parts, I justify it on much the same grounds as the elves at Helm's Deep--it fit well & wasn't horribly wrong. Now if they would've brought the fireballs, force-lightening, and bursts of magic sparks into the action...it'd be a much different story.

Eomer taking over for Erkenbrand- Pretty much the same thoughts as Boromir88's. They needed to leave out more than just a few characters & Erkenbrand had crosshairs on him (though it would've been cool to see Eomer fight in Helm's Deep ).

I'm sure I'll post more from RotK once I watch the extended version tomorrow night.
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Old 12-15-2004, 07:59 PM   #2
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Wizard Fight- Though I wouldn't say it's one of my favorite parts, I justify it on much the same grounds as the elves at Helm's Deep--it fit well & wasn't horribly wrong. Now if they would've brought the fireballs, force-lightening, and bursts of magic sparks into the action...it'd be a much different story.
I feel the same. I even might appreciate this part more, it stuck with Saruman trying to be able to persuade Gandalf. He couldn't do it, so he imprisons him. Tolkien never talked about being the "battle between the wizards," but I enjoyed this scene from the film.
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Old 12-15-2004, 08:03 PM   #3
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I didn't mind it in the very least that Bombadil was left out. I think I would have feared for my sanity if I had to sit through Derry-dolling in the theater. *Shudder*
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I feel the same way Feanor. I think there is a reason why Bombadil was put in the books, but as for the movies go, I don't think he holds much importance, and people would just be getting confused. Who's this messed up man with a yellow hat and little rhymes?
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:26 PM   #5
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Who's this messed up man with a yellow hat and little rhymes?
Come on Boromir, you know they were his boots which were yellow. gosh

I didn't mind Erkenbrand's absense at all, nor the Hobbits' ages (although it is funny to know that Pip would've only been 8 at Bilbo's party).

I'm very glad Tom wasn't in it. No one could've been completely satisfied with the image and character if his was brought into the movie. Better to avoid the whole thing.

King Théoden being so old weak because of Saruman's magic was okay.
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:37 PM   #6
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Actually, that was one of the few changes that I didn't really like, as it rather detracts from the point of Wormtongue.
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:42 PM   #7
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I pictured Theoden as a much older man. Even after his "rebirth," he walked around with a cane at times, and was described as "old and bent." But, Bernard Hill is such a wonderful actor, I can't compain .

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Old 12-17-2004, 10:53 AM   #8
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nor the Hobbits' ages (although it is funny to know that Pip would've only been 8 at Bilbo's party).
Eleven, actually.

I agree about the removal of Bombadil. I always found him a little...odd. o.O Tolkien himself even said that Bombadil was only in there as a nod to his (Tolkien's) own poems and things about him. He wasn't essential to the story. (This is said in Letters somewhere...)

Although I would have loved to see the Barrow-Downs... *sigh*

I also didn't mind Eomer filling in for Erkenbrand. That would have been a bit confusing for non-readers.

Also, *hides behind a shield* I've decided that I don't really mind that the Scouring was cut out. This way I get to keep my own mental image of it, instead of getting stuck with PJ's ideas. That could be the case with a lot of deleted scenes. You can keep your own thoughts on it. *nod nod*

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Old 12-15-2004, 08:08 PM   #9
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I even might appreciate this part more, it stuck with Saruman trying to be able to persuade Gandalf. He couldn't do it, so he imprisons him. Tolkien never talked about being the "battle between the wizards," but I enjoyed this scene from the film
Also, in the books it just says that Saruman took him & set him on top of Orthanc. Now how is PJ to show that in the movie? Techinically, he never showed how Gandalf got up on top of Orthanc, but he showed a little more than Saruman just 'taking' him. I liked it.

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Good one. I had forgotten about that one(shows how much it bothered me, huh?), though it's kinda a big one. No worries about it on my part, Bombadil is better left to the reader's imaginations, and the movie could've hit a big lull right when the tension was building.
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Old 12-15-2004, 09:26 PM   #10
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I saw the EE ROTK for the first time last night but do not worry I will not spoil it. I did not mind how Saurman died as disturbing as it was. It was quite interesting actually, if one does not mind being a little morbid once and a while.
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