**The Return of the King Extended Edition** - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Essex · 01-05-2005, 08:44 AM

Mr 'Defend the Movies till I die' makes a U turn at last......

I was dissapointed in a few things from the EE:

No end to the Fellowship's later years as documented in the Tale of the Years. I was hoping something would turn up as the director's commentaries in the fotr EE say that Galadriel's voiceover would 'bookend' the movies. I do note, however, on the first extra DVD some quick shots of legolas and gimli after the War of the Ring, and at least they filmed SOME shots like this. 10th or 20th anniversarry edition perhaps? you never know..................

No scene with Pippin bringing in Merry to Minas Tirith and Gandalf's line about the hobbit should have been brought into the city with great honour. And eowyn's line to eomer that he should make merry a knight of the riddermark. These scenes always bring a tear to my eye. He could have least got the 'Are you going to bury me?' line in! Ah well........

Durelin · 01-05-2005, 07:24 PM

One quick word on the Mouth of Sauron:

He was the first thing to creep me out in those films, so he was absolutely perfect in my mind. Maybe I'm just not a perfectionist when it comes to movies, but...

Also, the House of Healings scene between Faramir and Eowyn was almost exactly as I imagined it, though it was quite quite short...

And I think we can all agree that the movie wasn't anywhere near long enough...

The Only Real Estel · 01-05-2005, 08:40 PM

Like Durelin said, I found The Mouth of Sauron to be pretty creepy, I'm just glad PJ didn't go with his 'horizontal mouth' idea. Also, I find it a little strange that (in the documentary) when they are explaining the design behind his helmet, Daniel Falcnor states that "the book never says anything about whether you could see his eyes or not". I think when it says "Araogrn said naught in answer, but he took the other's eye and held it...", it's pretty darn clear. Still, I thought the helmet was cool, so I'm not complaining

. I am disappointed that Jackson had Aragorn behead the Mouth, however. It served little purpose other than to show Aragorn doesn't like to be made fun of. There is an element of truth (for once) in what the Mouth says in the books: "I am a herald and ambassador and may not be assailed!", though it seems that Jackson decided it'd be okay for Aragorn to break that law just this once.

Essex · 01-06-2005, 03:54 AM

Estel,

as I mentioned earlier, in my opinion the MoS in the Movie did not come to Parley. He came to scoff and scorn. He did not offer the West a Treaty. Therefore Aragorn was not breaking any code of War by killing the MoS.

Lathriel · 01-29-2005, 12:46 AM

Luckily we all seem to agree on this... The houses of healing was too short. Especially for Faramir and Eowyn. (Where was the kiss?????)
I would have loved to see more of that.

I really liked the Palantir scene though because it explained the dream Aragorn had at Dunharrow.

I was really glad there were more moments with sam and Frodo. Such as the crossroads. Sam seeing the star in the sky while in Mordor. (A tiny favourite part of mine in the book) Also I like the orc army because I was waiting for it to happen in the theatrical and I was so dissapointed when it wasn't in the movie.

Also Karl Urban's acting was superb when he saw Eowyn. He showed so much grief that my eyes grew watery.

Although we critisize PJ a lot I have a great respect for him. I don't think anybody else could have done it or was crazy enough to do it. So I simply admire him for his courage of making this trilogy.

All in all I love the EE but I think there should have been less extra battle scenes and more of those scenes which were about character development. More scenes such as the one between Pippin and Faramir.

Kitanna · 01-29-2005, 09:46 AM

I just thought of this recently (and I knew this scene wouldn't be in) but I was still so sad when there was no Bill the Pony reunion.

Enorëiel · 02-01-2005, 04:34 PM

Wow - I had totally forgotten about that Kitanna! And now that you mention it... I really missed that scene too.

alatar · 02-02-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitanna

I just thought of this recently (and I knew this scene wouldn't be in) but I was still so sad when there was no Bill the Pony reunion.

Not surprised as Jackson et al talk about wanting to have Bill killed by the Watcher at the Hollin Gate in FOTR EE, but that they had to film Bill leaving the area due to studio complaints (or something).

01-05-2005, 08:44 AM	#1
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	U-turn Mr 'Defend the Movies till I die' makes a U turn at last...... I was dissapointed in a few things from the EE: No end to the Fellowship's later years as documented in the Tale of the Years. I was hoping something would turn up as the director's commentaries in the fotr EE say that Galadriel's voiceover would 'bookend' the movies. I do note, however, on the first extra DVD some quick shots of legolas and gimli after the War of the Ring, and at least they filmed SOME shots like this. 10th or 20th anniversarry edition perhaps? you never know.................. No scene with Pippin bringing in Merry to Minas Tirith and Gandalf's line about the hobbit should have been brought into the city with great honour. And eowyn's line to eomer that he should make merry a knight of the riddermark. These scenes always bring a tear to my eye. He could have least got the 'Are you going to bury me?' line in! Ah well........

01-05-2005, 08:40 PM	#3
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Like Durelin said, I found The Mouth of Sauron to be pretty creepy, I'm just glad PJ didn't go with his 'horizontal mouth' idea. Also, I find it a little strange that (in the documentary) when they are explaining the design behind his helmet, Daniel Falcnor states that "the book never says anything about whether you could see his eyes or not". I think when it says "Araogrn said naught in answer, but he took the other's eye and held it...", it's pretty darn clear. Still, I thought the helmet was cool, so I'm not complaining . I am disappointed that Jackson had Aragorn behead the Mouth, however. It served little purpose other than to show Aragorn doesn't like to be made fun of. There is an element of truth (for once) in what the Mouth says in the books: "I am a herald and ambassador and may not be assailed!", though it seems that Jackson decided it'd be okay for Aragorn to break that law just this once. Last edited by The Only Real Estel; 01-05-2005 at 08:44 PM.

01-29-2005, 12:46 AM	#5
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	Luckily we all seem to agree on this... The houses of healing was too short. Especially for Faramir and Eowyn. (Where was the kiss?????) I would have loved to see more of that. I really liked the Palantir scene though because it explained the dream Aragorn had at Dunharrow. I was really glad there were more moments with sam and Frodo. Such as the crossroads. Sam seeing the star in the sky while in Mordor. (A tiny favourite part of mine in the book) Also I like the orc army because I was waiting for it to happen in the theatrical and I was so dissapointed when it wasn't in the movie. Also Karl Urban's acting was superb when he saw Eowyn. He showed so much grief that my eyes grew watery. Although we critisize PJ a lot I have a great respect for him. I don't think anybody else could have done it or was crazy enough to do it. So I simply admire him for his courage of making this trilogy. All in all I love the EE but I think there should have been less extra battle scenes and more of those scenes which were about character development. More scenes such as the one between Pippin and Faramir. __________________ Back again

01-29-2005, 09:46 AM	#6
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	I just thought of this recently (and I knew this scene wouldn't be in) but I was still so sad when there was no Bill the Pony reunion. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

02-01-2005, 04:34 PM	#7
Enorëiel Wight Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hobbiton, U.S.A. Posts: 165	Wow - I had totally forgotten about that Kitanna! And now that you mention it... I really missed that scene too. __________________ You can take a hobbit out of the Shire but you can't take the Shire out of a hobbit. Whoever said "Nothing is impossible" never tried to slam a revolving door.

01-05-2005, 07:24 PM	#2
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	One quick word on the Mouth of Sauron: He was the first thing to creep me out in those films, so he was absolutely perfect in my mind. Maybe I'm just not a perfectionist when it comes to movies, but... Also, the House of Healings scene between Faramir and Eowyn was almost exactly as I imagined it, though it was quite quite short... And I think we can all agree that the movie wasn't anywhere near long enough...

01-06-2005, 03:54 AM	#4
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	Estel, as I mentioned earlier, in my opinion the MoS in the Movie did not come to Parley. He came to scoff and scorn. He did not offer the West a Treaty. Therefore Aragorn was not breaking any code of War by killing the MoS.