What is the Necromancer? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nevfeniel · 03-30-2002, 12:22 PM

I was reading The Hobbit and Gandalf said something about the Necromancer. Can anyone tell me what it is?

ElanorGamgee · 03-30-2002, 12:45 PM

I'm pretty sure that the Necromancer was Sauron in disguise.

Nevfeniel · 03-30-2002, 12:46 PM

Thanx. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

kementari · 03-30-2002, 02:44 PM

Sauron was the Necromancer. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Merendis · 03-30-2002, 06:00 PM

OK, from Diablo II a necromancer is one who can raise the spirits of the dead. or the bodies, not sure, consulting my Latin dictionary, neco-to kill, murder
mancipo-to deliver up intereting, interesting... and finally the easiest part, look it up!

Necromancer (Deut. 15:11), i.e., "one who interrogates the dead," as the word literally means, with the view of discovering the secrets of futurity

SO yes, the necromancer was sauron, as others have mentioned, but sauron was as stated above

03-30-2002, 09:21 PM

the necromancer was Sauron's title in order to hide himself for protection when he dwelt in Dol Guldur in southern Mirkwood. He was then driven from Dol Guldur by the White Council and fled to Barad-Dur and declared himself to Middle-Earth

Olorin_The_Grey · 03-31-2002, 06:58 AM

The Necromancer was Sauron, but was believed by the Wise of the Council of the istari to be one of the Nazgul in hiding. It was Gandalf that 'scared' the Necromancer off, and so Sauron returned to his stronghold.

Nevtalathiel · 04-03-2002, 03:52 AM

Is the story of how the white council overhtrew the necromancer told anywhere? I think Gandalf mentions but does not tell the story in the hobbit, and it always interested me, is it recorded anywhere?

lathspell · 04-03-2002, 08:19 AM

no, as far as I know it ain't told in full anywhere, but there are the stories of Gandalf when he goes in Dol Guldur and tries to discover the true identity of the Necromancer... I read them in a book about Dol Guldur, but I dunno if it is told anywhere else

greetings,
Ill-News

Nevtalathiel · 04-03-2002, 09:50 AM

What was the book about Dol Guldur called? Gandal is so interesting, did he do anything else that I can read about?

Mhoram · 04-03-2002, 01:40 PM

Quote:

"Your grandfather[Thrain]," said the wizard slowly and grimly, "gave the map to his son for safety before he went to the mines of Moria. Your father went away to try his luck with the map after your grandfather was killed; and lots of adventures of a most unpleasant sort he had, but he never got near the Mountain. How he got there I don't know, but I found him a prisoner in the dungeons of the Necromancer."
" -The Hobbit

Quote:

2850 Gandalf again enters Dol Guldur, and discovers that its master is indeed Sauron, who is gathering all the Rings and seeking for news of the One, and of Isildur's Heir. He finds Thrain and recieves the key of Erebor. Thrain dies in Dol Guldur. -Lord of the Rings, Appendix B

There is nothing to interpret, the Necromancer is Sauron.

Nevfeniel · 04-03-2002, 09:58 PM

Thanks, everyone. You've all been real helpful. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

03-30-2002, 12:22 PM	#1
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	What is the Necromancer? I was reading The Hobbit and Gandalf said something about the Necromancer. Can anyone tell me what it is? __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

03-30-2002, 12:45 PM	#2
ElanorGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 314	I'm pretty sure that the Necromancer was Sauron in disguise. __________________ Soli Deo Gloria

03-30-2002, 12:46 PM	#3
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	Thanx. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

03-30-2002, 02:44 PM	#4
kementari Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2003 Location: Amongst the Ferns: New Zealand Posts: 56	Sauron was the Necromancer. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ ~ Kementari ~ Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo.

03-30-2002, 06:00 PM	#5
Merendis Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: An hour from Eden and the Stairway to Hell Posts: 45	OK, from Diablo II a necromancer is one who can raise the spirits of the dead. or the bodies, not sure, consulting my Latin dictionary, neco-to kill, murder mancipo-to deliver up intereting, interesting... and finally the easiest part, look it up! Necromancer (Deut. 15:11), i.e., "one who interrogates the dead," as the word literally means, with the view of discovering the secrets of futurity SO yes, the necromancer was sauron, as others have mentioned, but sauron was as stated above __________________ Merendis Mthe Mmariner's Mwife Riding one day in the forest of the Westlands he saw a woman, whose dark hair flowed in the wind, and about her was a green cloak...and he knew her for Erendis...then suddenly he knew in himself the love that he bore her, and he felt the emptiness of his days.

03-30-2002, 09:21 PM	#6
Doderic Hedgeworth Guest Posts: n/a	the necromancer was Sauron's title in order to hide himself for protection when he dwelt in Dol Guldur in southern Mirkwood. He was then driven from Dol Guldur by the White Council and fled to Barad-Dur and declared himself to Middle-Earth

03-31-2002, 06:58 AM	#7
Olorin_The_Grey Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 14	The Necromancer was Sauron, but was believed by the Wise of the Council of the istari to be one of the Nazgul in hiding. It was Gandalf that 'scared' the Necromancer off, and so Sauron returned to his stronghold. __________________ Ash nazg durbatuluk, Ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk, Agh burzum-ishi krimpatul (One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them)

04-03-2002, 03:52 AM	#8
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	Is the story of how the white council overhtrew the necromancer told anywhere? I think Gandalf mentions but does not tell the story in the hobbit, and it always interested me, is it recorded anywhere? __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

04-03-2002, 08:19 AM	#9
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	no, as far as I know it ain't told in full anywhere, but there are the stories of Gandalf when he goes in Dol Guldur and tries to discover the true identity of the Necromancer... I read them in a book about Dol Guldur, but I dunno if it is told anywhere else greetings, Ill-News __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

04-03-2002, 09:50 AM	#10
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	What was the book about Dol Guldur called? Gandal is so interesting, did he do anything else that I can read about? __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

04-03-2002, 09:58 PM	#12
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	Thanks, everyone. You've all been real helpful. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.