Missing Fell Beast? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Neurion · 01-01-2005, 08:41 PM

Has anyone noticed that in the Battle at the Black Gate, only 7 Fell Beasts are seen? Eowyn killed the Witch-King's Fell Beast, but there's one other missing. I'm hoping that Gondorian Longbowmen shot it down.

Boromir88 · 01-01-2005, 08:57 PM

I wonder if the one Faramir shot in Osgiliath ended up dying. Possibility? Or Sauron kept one back as a personal guard to his tower

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Neurion · 01-01-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

I wonder if the one Faramir shot in Osgiliath ended up dying. Possibility?

Oh yeah, yet another way for the invincible named characters to take the action away from the rank-and-file.

Essex · 01-04-2005, 07:05 AM

ah ha!

This ties in with my post the other day defending (somewhat) jackson having Frodo show the Ring to the Nazgul and fell beast at Osgiliath.

I surmised that the reason Sauron does not find out that a Hobbit has the Ring in Osgiliath is that Faramir shot down the fell beast and it's Rider was therfore riderless and unable to quickly return to Mordor to inform Sauron of the news.

This ties in with 7 nazgul at the black gate.

The Only Real Estel · 01-04-2005, 01:32 PM

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Oh yeah, yet another way for the invincible named characters to take the action away from the rank-and-file

Legolas shot one down in the books...

Neurion · 01-04-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

Legolas shot one down in the books...

He did, but I'm talking about the movies, where just about all of the secondary characters (like Beregond) were eliminated.

Essex · 01-05-2005, 06:24 AM

yeah but then you'd have about 500 characters in the film and this just wouldn't work for the average movie goer, and even die hard book readers might have problems remembering who's who when it comes to secondary characters.

Neurion · 01-05-2005, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Essex

yeah but then you'd have about 500 characters in the film and this just wouldn't work for the average movie goer, and even die hard book readers might have problems remembering who's who when it comes to secondary characters.

Oh get real. there would only be 8 to 10 minor characters to keep track of.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-05-2005, 08:00 AM

Neurion, please refrain form belittling the coherently explained views of others. Discussions here should be conducted in the spirit of politeness and civility.

Neurion · 01-05-2005, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Neurion, please refrain form belittling the coherently explained views of others. Discussions here should be conducted in the spirit of politeness and civility.

Sorry. My apologies.

(Though I consider the assertion of "500 characters" to be a tremendous exageration)

Essex · 01-05-2005, 08:26 AM

no worries. welcome to the downs by the way.

I wonder if anyone does have a character count, major and minor, for the whole (book) trilogy? No doubt it would be less than 500, but I reckon it runs into the hundreds (ie those with speaking parts or actually named as characters in the book)

The Only Real Estel · 01-07-2005, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Neurion:

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there would only be 8 to 10 minor characters to keep track of

Originally posted by Essex:

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I wonder if anyone does have a character count, major and minor, for the whole (book) trilogy? No doubt it would be less than 500, but I reckon it runs into the hundreds (ie those with speaking parts or actually named as characters in the book)

I don't know of anyone with a full character count, but I went through FotR real quickly & found quite a few characters that either were not mentioned in the movies, or did not recieve any real recognition (ie: the alleged Ted Sandyman in the Green Dragon in the FotR EE).
key: a plus sign=deserving of mention/important to the story or someone that affects the story in some way (not just a name given in a history or song)

Hobbits
------------------------------

Nob+
Bob +
Ted Sandyman +
Farmer Cotton +
Fatty Bulger +
Lotho 'Pimple' +
Old Took +
Falco Boffin +
Mrs. Maggot +
Mrs. Cotton +
Mr. Mugwort +
Daddy Twofoot
Old Noakes
Old Master Gorbadac
Everad Took
Melilot Brandybuck
Rory Brandybuck
Esmeralda Brandybuck
Adelard Took
Dora Baggins
Milo Burrows
'Angelica'
Hugo Bracegirdle
Sancho Proudfoot
Hal (Sam's cousin)
Andy (Sam's uncle)
Smeagol's grandmother
Maggot's two sons
Maggot's three daughters
Bandobras the Bullroarer

Animals/Creatures
----------------------------------------------

Old Man Willow +
Grip +
Fang +
Wolf +
The Barrow-Wight +
Fatty Lumpkin +
Southern Stranger +
Beorn
Grimbeorn
Smaug
Necromancer
Ancalagon the Black

Humans (Elves & Men)
--------------------------------------------------

Glorifindel +
Gildor +
Elladan +
Dlrohir +
Lindir +
Erestor +
Galdor +
Cirdan +
Rumil +
Orophin +
Tom Bombadil +
Goldberry +
Bill Ferny +
Gloin +
Dain +
Durin +
Brand+
Anarion +
Radagast the Brown +
Dwalin +
Dori +
Nori +
Ori +
Oin +
Bifur +
Bofuf +
Bombur +
Floi
Frar
Loni
Nali
Celebrian
Tinuviel
Thingol
'Great Enemy' (Morgoth)
Dior
Elwing
Thranduil
Celebrimbor
Feanor
Nimrodel
Amroth
Thorin Oakenshield
Bard the Bowman
Beren
Earendil
Tom (In Sam's poem)
Ohtar
Meneldil
Denethor
Thror
Thrain
Hador
Hurin
turin
Narvi
Floi
Frar
Lori
Nali
Varda

Of course I've probably left out some, but by my count that's about 100 extra characters that weren't put in the movie, with a little over 45 of those being deserving of mention for one reason or another. And this is just a list of FotR's characters

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Boromir88 · 01-07-2005, 02:10 PM

Estel, don't forget old mayor Will Witfoot

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There's a handful from Gondor that are missing in ROTK. (Not saying that I'm dissapointed in them not being there).

Imrahil
Forlong
Duinhir
Duilhin
Derufin
Golasgil
Hurin
Dervorin
Beregond
Hirluin
Earnur (mentioned)
Ioreth
Ingold
Hurgon

Others:
Halbarad
Ghan-buri-ghan
Thain Paladin

These two I don't remember being in the movies, but I'm not sure:

Damrod
Anborn

Just a couple from The Two Towers:

Fimbrethil
Quickbeam
Fladrif
Erkenbrand
Eomer (just joking, ha)

Neurion · 01-07-2005, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Estel, don't forget old mayor Will Witfoot

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There's a handful from Gondor that are missing in ROTK. (Not saying that I'm dissapointed in them not being there).

Imrahil
Forlong
Duinhir
Duilhin
Derufin
Golasgil
Hurin
Dervorin
Beregond
Hirluin
Earnur (mentioned)
Ioreth
Ingold
Hurgon

Others:
Halbarad
Ghan-buri-ghan
Thain Paladin

These two I don't remember being in the movies, but I'm not sure:

Damrod
Anborn

Just a couple from The Two Towers:

Fimbrethil
Quickbeam
Fladrif
Erkenbrand
Eomer (just joking, ha)

Ioreth is in RotK.

BTW, just watched it again today and there are in fact 6 Fell Beasts left.

Meneltarmacil · 01-07-2005, 09:11 PM

Estel, your above list stated that Balin was not mentioned in FOTR and should have been. However, Gimli mentions him as being his cousin just before the Crebain appear and they do visit his tomb in Moria where Gandalf identifies him as Lord of Moria.

The Only Real Estel · 01-08-2005, 11:06 AM

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Estel, your above list stated that Balin was not mentioned in FOTR and should have been. However, Gimli mentions him as being his cousin just before the Crebain appear and they do visit his tomb in Moria where Gandalf identifies him as Lord of Moria.

Wow, I can't believe I forgot that! Oh well, thanks Meneltarmacil, I'll edit my list.

Essex · 01-10-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Neurion

Ioreth is in RotK.

She's in the film? I don't remember hearing her prattle on as she does in the book! Where is she?

01-01-2005, 08:41 PM	#1
Neurion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Standing amidst the slaughter I have wreaked upon the orcs Posts: 258	Missing Fell Beast? Has anyone noticed that in the Battle at the Black Gate, only 7 Fell Beasts are seen? Eowyn killed the Witch-King's Fell Beast, but there's one other missing. I'm hoping that Gondorian Longbowmen shot it down.

01-05-2005, 08:00 AM	#9
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Neurion, please refrain form belittling the coherently explained views of others. Discussions here should be conducted in the spirit of politeness and civility. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-07-2005, 09:11 PM	#15
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	Um, excuse me... Estel, your above list stated that Balin was not mentioned in FOTR and should have been. However, Gimli mentions him as being his cousin just before the Crebain appear and they do visit his tomb in Moria where Gandalf identifies him as Lord of Moria. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

01-01-2005, 08:57 PM	#2
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,516	I wonder if the one Faramir shot in Osgiliath ended up dying. Possibility? Or Sauron kept one back as a personal guard to his tower .

01-04-2005, 07:05 AM	#4
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	ah ha! This ties in with my post the other day defending (somewhat) jackson having Frodo show the Ring to the Nazgul and fell beast at Osgiliath. I surmised that the reason Sauron does not find out that a Hobbit has the Ring in Osgiliath is that Faramir shot down the fell beast and it's Rider was therfore riderless and unable to quickly return to Mordor to inform Sauron of the news. This ties in with 7 nazgul at the black gate.

01-05-2005, 06:24 AM	#7
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	yeah but then you'd have about 500 characters in the film and this just wouldn't work for the average movie goer, and even die hard book readers might have problems remembering who's who when it comes to secondary characters.

01-05-2005, 08:26 AM	#11
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	no worries. welcome to the downs by the way. I wonder if anyone does have a character count, major and minor, for the whole (book) trilogy? No doubt it would be less than 500, but I reckon it runs into the hundreds (ie those with speaking parts or actually named as characters in the book)

01-07-2005, 02:10 PM	#13
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,516	Estel, don't forget old mayor Will Witfoot . There's a handful from Gondor that are missing in ROTK. (Not saying that I'm dissapointed in them not being there). Imrahil Forlong Duinhir Duilhin Derufin Golasgil Hurin Dervorin Beregond Hirluin Earnur (mentioned) Ioreth Ingold Hurgon Others: Halbarad Ghan-buri-ghan Thain Paladin These two I don't remember being in the movies, but I'm not sure: Damrod Anborn Just a couple from The Two Towers: Fimbrethil Quickbeam Fladrif Erkenbrand Eomer (just joking, ha)