The Lord of the Grins. - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gil-Galad · 01-12-2005, 07:05 PM

DOesn't matter if its up to date, still seems like another version of BotR, with all the crazy name changes and such, which was a major key in BotR, and which looks like a major key in your book as well...

narfforc · 01-13-2005, 02:41 PM

There are two types of parody, the first type is one that you can write for fan fiction ie for this site, which no one will complain about, if you use original names, but tell funny stories about them. The second type is the one where you intend to publish, like The Soddit, The Sellamillion, The Sillymarillion and Bored of the Rings. In this type you are forced by law to change the names, so in that yes, The Lord of the Grins has changed the names just exactly like Bored of the Rings had to, however my story follows more closely to the original, very unlike Bored of the Rings. There are many people who will not like to see Tolkiens works made into parody, if you are one of those then I respect your stance, but what I would say to you is that Tolkien gave us this work to expand on, I am just coming in through a different door, just like Jackson has done. I have many friends in the Tolkien Society, and most have a copy of Bored of the Rings, it does no harm, it is a bit of fun, however if I said I hate everything Tolkien ever wrote, then you would be quite right to denounce me. The real reason I have embarked upon this path, was to update Bored of the Rings, and not just invent a name like Arrowroot of Arrowshirt or Moxie and Pepsi, without giving them a history that can be qualified within the name change, like-

Messy (Meretricious Brandishmuck) who is always dirty.

Pipsqueak (Peregrinate Talk) who gets everything wrong.

Legless Greenteeth son of King Thatfool of The Silly Elves of Murkywood.

Stan Gamble son of Hamble Gamble, known as Hamfist or Grafter.

Fido son of Doggo.

Cellphone which is Telephono in The Qwerty Text of The Haughty Elves.

King Thingy (Elude Singular, Lord of The Thousand Cafes, Manygrowth of
Doorhehath)

Hewers son Chewer and their kin
Hewing and his son Chewin a Chewinbar, Glaring a Daggerin.

Events like-

The Downsizing of Neomanor or The Alackabath which is Atolslanted.

The Battle of The Last Abeyance.

Not only these I have included The Histories of The Wiztari, The Rents, The Riders of Ridicule, The Argonlamps, The Princes of Doltamlost, The Stalwarts of Minus Thrifty and many. In short I have not just given things A SILLY NAME, I have given reasons why, so if you can find any name in Bored of the Rings that equals-

Paragon son of Paramount Heir of Everdulls son Evenduller, Alesser the
Half-Stoned, Dulladan, Stranger of the North.

Or give me the name of the father of any of the following from Bored of the Rings, then I will admit my feeble attempt at comedy has failed.

Moxie
Pepsi
Gimlet
Legolam.
Frito

Formendacil · 01-13-2005, 03:42 PM

Well, I have only readed BOTR once (and never intend to do so again, on my honour!), and I have not actually read Master Narfforc's parody, but I thought that it might not hurt a little to point out the distinction between a more "commercial" parody, such as BOTR, and a parody such as Narfforc's.

The difference doesn't lie so much in the way the base material is rewritten, meaning that the new Joke-meanings of the names aren't the difference.

The difference is the care and attention given by author to his work. In the case of Narfforc, it would seem apparent that he writes his parody, because he LOVES the source-work, not to denigrate it, but as a kind of in-joke to amuse himself and fellow-fans.

For the same reason, his names and parodies will mimic the original more closely, and hence be all the funnier. If you KNOW what it's supposed to be (aka Tolkien trivia), then you will find a comedic slant all the funnier.

Of course, any kind of parody ultimately boils down to flattery. And even if flattery isn't always sincere, the very fact that something is being flattered testifies to a certain quality or gift in the original, which in this case is the Lord of the Rings.

narfforc · 01-14-2005, 09:08 AM

To Formendacil, Hi, You are quite right when you say I do this through the love of Tolkiens works. I have a number of parodies, done by various authors, that quite frankly can`t have read much Tolkien, and decided to jump on the bandwagon. In my story the aspects of all the characters and their race has been exaggerated or inverted and their histories made to fit. My hope is that those people who went to the cinema to watch the films and then read the books, will read mine and be confused, for there are many references to The Silmarillion. Now if I can get one percent of the people who buy my book to go on and read more of Tolkien, I will be a happy man. I hope to have the book published before June.

narfforc · 01-26-2005, 08:11 AM

Talking about parodies, I have just read the hilarious Sillymarillion. If you haven't, rush out and buy it. This book is a masterpiece, and goes above any parody written so far. It takes humour to a new level.

narfforc · 02-28-2012, 11:25 AM

Well it's finished now, the first book is out on Amazon Kindle and the second book is due out soon......I hope that if you buy it you'll find the in-jokes funny. I wrote the book I wanted to read as a Tolkien reader, and it's taken nine years to finish.

because my crayon kept breaking.

.

davem · 02-29-2012, 04:28 AM

Here you go: Amazon UK http://www.amazon.co.uk/Followship-R...0510795&sr=1-1 and US : http://www.amazon.com/Followship-Rin...0510963&sr=8-1

01-12-2005, 07:05 PM	#1
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	DOesn't matter if its up to date, still seems like another version of BotR, with all the crazy name changes and such, which was a major key in BotR, and which looks like a major key in your book as well... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-13-2005, 03:42 PM	#3
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Well, I have only readed BOTR once (and never intend to do so again, on my honour!), and I have not actually read Master Narfforc's parody, but I thought that it might not hurt a little to point out the distinction between a more "commercial" parody, such as BOTR, and a parody such as Narfforc's. The difference doesn't lie so much in the way the base material is rewritten, meaning that the new Joke-meanings of the names aren't the difference. The difference is the care and attention given by author to his work. In the case of Narfforc, it would seem apparent that he writes his parody, because he LOVES the source-work, not to denigrate it, but as a kind of in-joke to amuse himself and fellow-fans. For the same reason, his names and parodies will mimic the original more closely, and hence be all the funnier. If you KNOW what it's supposed to be (aka Tolkien trivia), then you will find a comedic slant all the funnier. Of course, any kind of parody ultimately boils down to flattery. And even if flattery isn't always sincere, the very fact that something is being flattered testifies to a certain quality or gift in the original, which in this case is the Lord of the Rings. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

01-14-2005, 09:08 AM	#4
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	I couldnt have put it better myself. To Formendacil, Hi, You are quite right when you say I do this through the love of Tolkiens works. I have a number of parodies, done by various authors, that quite frankly can`t have read much Tolkien, and decided to jump on the bandwagon. In my story the aspects of all the characters and their race has been exaggerated or inverted and their histories made to fit. My hope is that those people who went to the cinema to watch the films and then read the books, will read mine and be confused, for there are many references to The Silmarillion. Now if I can get one percent of the people who buy my book to go on and read more of Tolkien, I will be a happy man. I hope to have the book published before June.

01-26-2005, 08:11 AM	#5
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	Talking about parodies, I have just read the hilarious Sillymarillion. If you haven't, rush out and buy it. This book is a masterpiece, and goes above any parody written so far. It takes humour to a new level. Last edited by narfforc; 06-24-2012 at 12:28 PM.

02-28-2012, 11:25 AM	#6
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	Well it's finished now, the first book is out on Amazon Kindle and the second book is due out soon......I hope that if you buy it you'll find the in-jokes funny. I wrote the book I wanted to read as a Tolkien reader, and it's taken nine years to finish. because my crayon kept breaking. . __________________ [B]THE LORD OF THE GRINS:THE ONE PARODY....A PARODY BETTER THAN THE RINGS OF POWER.

01-13-2005, 02:41 PM	#2
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	There are two types of parody, the first type is one that you can write for fan fiction ie for this site, which no one will complain about, if you use original names, but tell funny stories about them. The second type is the one where you intend to publish, like The Soddit, The Sellamillion, The Sillymarillion and Bored of the Rings. In this type you are forced by law to change the names, so in that yes, The Lord of the Grins has changed the names just exactly like Bored of the Rings had to, however my story follows more closely to the original, very unlike Bored of the Rings. There are many people who will not like to see Tolkiens works made into parody, if you are one of those then I respect your stance, but what I would say to you is that Tolkien gave us this work to expand on, I am just coming in through a different door, just like Jackson has done. I have many friends in the Tolkien Society, and most have a copy of Bored of the Rings, it does no harm, it is a bit of fun, however if I said I hate everything Tolkien ever wrote, then you would be quite right to denounce me. The real reason I have embarked upon this path, was to update Bored of the Rings, and not just invent a name like Arrowroot of Arrowshirt or Moxie and Pepsi, without giving them a history that can be qualified within the name change, like- Messy (Meretricious Brandishmuck) who is always dirty. Pipsqueak (Peregrinate Talk) who gets everything wrong. Legless Greenteeth son of King Thatfool of The Silly Elves of Murkywood. Stan Gamble son of Hamble Gamble, known as Hamfist or Grafter. Fido son of Doggo. Cellphone which is Telephono in The Qwerty Text of The Haughty Elves. King Thingy (Elude Singular, Lord of The Thousand Cafes, Manygrowth of Doorhehath) Hewers son Chewer and their kin Hewing and his son Chewin a Chewinbar, Glaring a Daggerin. Events like- The Downsizing of Neomanor or The Alackabath which is Atolslanted. The Battle of The Last Abeyance. Not only these I have included The Histories of The Wiztari, The Rents, The Riders of Ridicule, The Argonlamps, The Princes of Doltamlost, The Stalwarts of Minus Thrifty and many. In short I have not just given things A SILLY NAME, I have given reasons why, so if you can find any name in Bored of the Rings that equals- Paragon son of Paramount Heir of Everdulls son Evenduller, Alesser the Half-Stoned, Dulladan, Stranger of the North. Or give me the name of the father of any of the following from Bored of the Rings, then I will admit my feeble attempt at comedy has failed. Moxie Pepsi Gimlet Legolam. Frito

02-29-2012, 04:28 AM	#7
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Here you go: Amazon UK http://www.amazon.co.uk/Followship-R...0510795&sr=1-1 and US : http://www.amazon.com/Followship-Rin...0510963&sr=8-1 __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."