Lorien - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thinlómien · 01-20-2005, 07:52 AM

I, with my small knowledge, shall now come and interrupt your peace and harmony

Because I disagree with you all. I think that Lórien of Valinor was fairer.

It was in Valinor. The reason might sound stupid, but in Valinor all was basicly more beautiful. Nothing never died there (except some elves, but we won't discuss it now).
The Valar, Lórien and Estë lived there. I suppose that they had more power to make their Lórien beautiful than Galadriel had with Nenya.
And all the light didn't go with the two trees; the sun came, and the moon. And they stayed in Valinor longer than in Middle-Earth.
So I can't see any reason why Galadriel's Lórien would have been more beutiful than Lórien of Valinor.

Neithan · 01-20-2005, 08:02 AM

I gotta go with Thinlómien on this one. Galadriel could only make her Lorien as a copy of the original. Granted the true Lorien no longer had the Two Trees, but Lothlorien didn't either and it was just a wood in Middle Earth.

Elladan and Elrohir · 01-21-2005, 04:16 PM

Methinks the Lorien comparison is a bit like trying to compare Gondolin with Tirion.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-21-2005, 06:14 PM

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I've never heard of the book mentionng them except in Numenor which only one Mallorn grew.

I believe that the Mellyrn (the Sindarin plural of Mallorn) were brought to Númenor from Tol Eressëa and they grew thickly in the region of Nisimildar in southwest Númenor and less frequently elsewhere on the island. Gil-galad did give Galadriel her first Mellyrn, but these were brought to him from Númenor by Tar-Aldarion.

One other Mallorn grew outside Lórien which hasn't yet been mentioned: the one that grew from Sam's seed in the Shire.

Gorthaur the Cruel · 01-21-2005, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Neithan

I gotta go with Thinlómien on this one. Galadriel could only make her Lorien as a copy of the original. Granted the true Lorien no longer had the Two Trees, but Lothlorien didn't either and it was just a wood in Middle Earth.

But the light of the sun & moon have already aged by that time & although indeed the gardens of Irmo are fair, I'd have to stick with Lothlorien for not only was it an undying paradise (so long as Nenya lasted)... it had an unearthly light to it. Similar to the light of the two Trees and did not the elven rings give power according to the measure of its wearers? And wasn't it said that the light of the two Trees were ensnared by Galadriel's tresses & stayed there ever after? So this could be responsible for that unearthly glow that dwells there, for Lothrlorien was modelled after the Lorien before the destruction of the two Trees.

Elrian · 01-22-2005, 05:42 PM

The Two Trees of Valinor did not grow in Lorien, they grew on Ezellohar outside the gates of Valmar. Ungoliant and Melkor never entered Lorien and Este's land. Also the great Emerald brooch that was given to Aragorn in Lorien was originally made for Galadriel (who gave it to Celebrian, who gave it to Arwen, who left if for Aragorn)by Celebrimbor and enabled it's wearer to see the beauty in things more clearly. (Unfinished Tales) Lothlorien was no doubt the closest thing to Valinor in ME, but not as splendorous.

01-20-2005, 08:02 AM	#2
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	I gotta go with Thinlómien on this one. Galadriel could only make her Lorien as a copy of the original. Granted the true Lorien no longer had the Two Trees, but Lothlorien didn't either and it was just a wood in Middle Earth. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

01-21-2005, 04:16 PM	#3
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	Methinks the Lorien comparison is a bit like trying to compare Gondolin with Tirion. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

01-22-2005, 05:42 PM	#6
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Two Trees of Valinor The Two Trees of Valinor did not grow in Lorien, they grew on Ezellohar outside the gates of Valmar. Ungoliant and Melkor never entered Lorien and Este's land. Also the great Emerald brooch that was given to Aragorn in Lorien was originally made for Galadriel (who gave it to Celebrian, who gave it to Arwen, who left if for Aragorn)by Celebrimbor and enabled it's wearer to see the beauty in things more clearly. (Unfinished Tales) Lothlorien was no doubt the closest thing to Valinor in ME, but not as splendorous. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

01-20-2005, 07:52 AM	#1
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I, with my small knowledge, shall now come and interrupt your peace and harmony Because I disagree with you all. I think that Lórien of Valinor was fairer. It was in Valinor. The reason might sound stupid, but in Valinor all was basicly more beautiful. Nothing never died there (except some elves, but we won't discuss it now). The Valar, Lórien and Estë lived there. I suppose that they had more power to make their Lórien beautiful than Galadriel had with Nenya. And all the light didn't go with the two trees; the sun came, and the moon. And they stayed in Valinor longer than in Middle-Earth. So I can't see any reason why Galadriel's Lórien would have been more beutiful than Lórien of Valinor.