Saruman's fireball - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Only Real Estel · 01-29-2005, 10:13 PM

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do you think that some random Rohan soldier can do it

Actually, I think I am a fan of this route, I hardly think that it's an impossible shot for a random Rohirrim (they're not bad with a bow & arrow on horseback, even). I've heard some people say that this wouldn't work because they would've overheard how Gandalf (or Theoden) didn't want Grima killed & so they wouldn't have killed him. But as I remember, Frodo says many times that he does not want even Saruman killed (much less Grima, who did not attempt to assasinate Frodo)--but a random hobbit archer killed Wormtounge. I see no problem at all with the Rohirrim route.

Lolidir · 01-29-2005, 10:20 PM

i wasnt talking about not dong it because of how Gandalf and Theoden didnt want them too. and who knows maybe they could have, but then they would have had to pay someone to come on screen and do it and all that fun stuff. and all the nonbook readers who wouldnt know the difference would prolly much rather have a wellknow character do it instead. you have to remember that the movies were movies for everyone, not just the book readers.

gorthaur_cruel · 01-29-2005, 10:27 PM

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You'd think Legolas might have responded a little differently than a random hobbit archer...

Not the movie Legolas, I wouldn't.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-30-2005, 01:26 PM

I think it completely discards any shred of human dignity that Grima had to have Action Hero Legolas kill him amidst the delighted shrieks of 12 year old girls in the audience.

But I'm repeating myself, am I not Estel?

The Only Real Estel · 01-31-2005, 02:07 PM

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you have to remember that the movies were movies for everyone, not just the book readers

Of course...that's why they have the Oliphaunt scene later.

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But I'm repeating myself, am I not Estel?

I suppose I shouldn't answer that.

Essex · 01-31-2005, 02:41 PM

Estel, if it wasn't for the average movie goer, then you wouldn't have seen ANY Tolkien films.

If people want a fantasy film based word for word entirely on the book, go see the (rather dissapointing) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.

Snorri Swifthammer · 01-31-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Essex

If people want a fantasy film based word for word entirely on the book, go see the (rather dissapointing) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.

Umm, you do know that movie was the highest grossing movie in the year it was released? It's one of the highest grossing movies of all time, I believe.

To me that suggests people actually do want faithful adaptions.

This is even further supported by the fact that even though many people consider Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban to be a better book, it didn't do nearly as well as a movie because they hacked out so much of the book and disappointed the fans.

Edit - I just checked my facts http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/...yr=2001&p=.htm.

HP outgrossed even FOTR that year.

01-29-2005, 10:20 PM	#2
Lolidir Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Roaming the plains of Middle Earth Posts: 103	i wasnt talking about not dong it because of how Gandalf and Theoden didnt want them too. and who knows maybe they could have, but then they would have had to pay someone to come on screen and do it and all that fun stuff. and all the nonbook readers who wouldnt know the difference would prolly much rather have a wellknow character do it instead. you have to remember that the movies were movies for everyone, not just the book readers. __________________ "Its a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to"

01-30-2005, 01:26 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I think it completely discards any shred of human dignity that Grima had to have Action Hero Legolas kill him amidst the delighted shrieks of 12 year old girls in the audience. But I'm repeating myself, am I not Estel? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-31-2005, 02:41 PM	#6
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	Estel, if it wasn't for the average movie goer, then you wouldn't have seen ANY Tolkien films. If people want a fantasy film based word for word entirely on the book, go see the (rather dissapointing) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.