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Remember too, that Gandalf's power is still cloaked most of the time. He only unveils his power at truly desperate moments, like when the Nazgul are bearing down on Faramir. And even then, he does no more than drive them off. Gandalf, were he to completely unveil his power, would have no need of diversions to get Frodo to Mount Doom. The invasion of Mordor would be deadly serious, it would be like the War of Wrath in miniature. Because Gandalf would no longer have any reason to hold back, to only encourage and not command, the War of the Ring would have gone VERY differently. For these reasons (and those previously mentioned), I am of the solidified opinion that Gandalf was still very "killable" after his return from death. He was just more unlikely to be killed. He had, after all, been enhanced, given more allowance to use his power, and it had taken a Balrog his life to get rid of him the first time. Gandalf would have been beyond the skill of pretty much anyone to kill, but that doesn't mean that he was impossible to kill. He was, after all, still a Maia incarnate.
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Wight
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a desert.
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Why would he be brought back just to die again? He wouldn't have been sent back unless he had something else to do. He has to do that thing that he was sent back to do before he can drop dead again. Neurion, he probably has some sort of wizard force field or something. Don't they have those at Wal-Mart?
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Wight
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Michigan
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It all depends on how you interpret Gandalfs words. If you take it literally to mean that Anduril could not hurt Gandalf then the only explanation is that he is clothed. If you interpret it as that no weapons in the hands of those three could hurt him then he has already demonstrated that to be true. This is somewhat amazing though, that Isildur can harm Sauron but Aragorn can't harm Gandalf. It is hard to imagine that Gandalf has this power but Sauron does not. Anyway it depends on what you think is more unlikely, that Gandalf would go into an actual sleep in order to keep up the act or that Gandalf's words which seemed to say that Anduril could not hurt him was actually saying, in a round about way, that they could not hurt him.
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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But the words of Tolkien himself allow us to discount the theory. Letter #156 (a draft addressed to Robert J Murray dated 4 November 1956) provides a fascinating analysis of Gandalf's death and return. The relevant passage is long and I shall not repeat it all hear (although it bears reading if you have the Letters). However, the following excerpt is illuminating on this issue: Quote:
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I suspect that his words to the Three Hunters involved, as has been suggested, a measure of foresight. He knew that he would not be killed by their weapons.
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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That may explain why Pippin was able to sneak the Palantir, because Gandalf held him dear. So...was Gandalf suceptible to treachery? Throw Denethor's madness into the mix and there's a whole new way to look at things...
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I listen for returning feet and voices at the door Last edited by Oddwen; 02-01-2005 at 08:54 PM. Reason: "some questions were answered, others sprang up. It's like I'm unravelling a big, cable-knit sweater that someone keeps knitting, and knitting, and knitting, and knitting..." |
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i was doing a bit of thinking and came to the conclusion that maybe we are over thinking things. if you sneak up on someone and know that they will try to strike at you, who would be more prepared? you, who knows what they are going to do, or them, who only know what they will do? we all saw how Gimli's axe was thrown a conciderable distance when thrown at Gandalf, and we saw how he deflected the arrow. it is only logical that Aragorn would attack with his sword, and couldnt Gandalf throw it away as he did the axe? so maybe they didnt have anything that could hurt him beacause he knew how to counter them.
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Wight
Join Date: Dec 2004
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I stand corrected! Thank you Saucepan Man for that quote, I really must get the Letters. That question at least is settled. And I guess your analysis of what Ganalf meant is the best so far but it still doesn't seem quite right to me.
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