Gandalf Vs. The Witch King - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Snorri Swifthammer · 02-08-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by alatar

After the W-K says his lines, I would love to hear Gandalf say, "Come get some..."

I can see the scene now for ROTK:EEE (Extended Extended Version)

*Witch King stares Gandalf down after revealing himself at the gate*

Gandalf: Come get some....

*Cue epic battle music ala Duel of the Fates or that music from the Matrix*

*Witch King holds Flaming Sword O' Doom and BFM (Bif Friggin Mace) in battle stance*

*Gandalf begins whirling staff windmill style until it is just a blur. He then launches off the ground Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon style and comes down on the Witch King with a two handed strike that WK barely deflects*

Witch King: You weak pathetic fool! No man of a woman born can defeat me!

Gandalf: Duh!!! I wasn't born of anything, I a freaking Maiar!!!

Witch King: Oh Sh...

*Gandalf lights WK up with an uber-fireball and swings his staff baseball style launching the Flaming WK through the air where he flies out to the battle field and lands atop Gothmog*

Gimil: That still only counts as two....

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Yeah, I need help!

St. Povis · 02-08-2005, 05:24 PM

Yes, I'd taken much of that into account, but I still can't change my viewpoint. To me, it is simply that simple...Maiar Istari outranks mortal undead human in all terms. Potential, Wisdom, Memories, Foresight, or just about anything else.

I can pity Denethor to some degree, but not enough to think that he's in the right. In truth, if there's anyone to blame, from my viewpoint, its not Denethor for being disrespectful, but the Valar and Illuvatar for slacking and contriving all sorts of weird rules for their agents when visiting Middle earth. Of course, there'd be a lot less to think about, and consequently, a possible hive mind would develop from having no mysteries to explore, but...

Anyway, that's my half cent's worth of input. From all of the facts I've seen (and I'm not saying I couldn't have overlooked or misunderstood some of them), it seems grossly unlikely that the WK would pose any real threat to the WW. I've written enough about this topic though, and I am realizing that I am developing an unhealthy obsession with this thread, and so its time for me to stop.

narfforc · 02-14-2005, 10:08 AM

St Povis is correct in my view, A maia in any form is stronger than an undead human, even if it is enhanced by one of their own kind. The only enhancement a Nazgul has, is a ring, given by Sauron, Ok The Lord of The Nazgul has a few more tricks up his sleeve, but when all is said and done, his inherent power is that of The Engwar, whilst although subdued Gandalf was an Ainu.

narfforc · 02-17-2005, 05:21 AM

"Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than ANYTHING you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord.

I must say that at this point Gimli wasnt going to The Undying Lands, so Gandalf must have meant ANYTHING in Middle-Earth.

alatar · 02-17-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by narfforc

I must say that at this point Gimli wasnt going to The Undying Lands, so Gandalf must have meant ANYTHING in Middle-Earth.

I assume that the counterargument will be that though Gandalf may be one shade less dangerous than Sauron, this does not mean that he was invincible to all things 'below' him.

Note that a Singing She-Elf and her Ringbearing Boyfriend took down (momentarily) the First among the Valar.

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-17-2005, 11:59 AM

... and a lowly (and wretched) man took out a (fallen) Istar.

narfforc · 02-17-2005, 01:01 PM

To Alatar, yes you could say that, for who or what was invincible in Middle-Earth. Even the mightiest have a weakness.

02-17-2005, 05:21 AM	#4
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	From his own mouth. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than ANYTHING you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord. I must say that at this point Gimli wasnt going to The Undying Lands, so Gandalf must have meant ANYTHING in Middle-Earth.

02-17-2005, 11:59 AM	#6
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	... and a lowly (and wretched) man took out a (fallen) Istar. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-08-2005, 05:24 PM	#2
St. Povis Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	Yes, I'd taken much of that into account, but I still can't change my viewpoint. To me, it is simply that simple...Maiar Istari outranks mortal undead human in all terms. Potential, Wisdom, Memories, Foresight, or just about anything else. I can pity Denethor to some degree, but not enough to think that he's in the right. In truth, if there's anyone to blame, from my viewpoint, its not Denethor for being disrespectful, but the Valar and Illuvatar for slacking and contriving all sorts of weird rules for their agents when visiting Middle earth. Of course, there'd be a lot less to think about, and consequently, a possible hive mind would develop from having no mysteries to explore, but... Anyway, that's my half cent's worth of input. From all of the facts I've seen (and I'm not saying I couldn't have overlooked or misunderstood some of them), it seems grossly unlikely that the WK would pose any real threat to the WW. I've written enough about this topic though, and I am realizing that I am developing an unhealthy obsession with this thread, and so its time for me to stop.

02-14-2005, 10:08 AM	#3
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	St Povis is correct in my view, A maia in any form is stronger than an undead human, even if it is enhanced by one of their own kind. The only enhancement a Nazgul has, is a ring, given by Sauron, Ok The Lord of The Nazgul has a few more tricks up his sleeve, but when all is said and done, his inherent power is that of The Engwar, whilst although subdued Gandalf was an Ainu.

02-17-2005, 01:01 PM	#7
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	To Alatar, yes you could say that, for who or what was invincible in Middle-Earth. Even the mightiest have a weakness.