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the phantom · 02-28-2005, 01:30 PM

Don't discount Elrond. He didn't fight in LOTR, but that does not mean he couldn't fight. He didn't because of the whole healing/killing thing that the elves have (if you kill it diminishes your power to heal).

I'm sure if it came down to it and Elrond had to pick up a sword he would be a force to reckon with. Never leave someone out of your plans when all his genes come from the likes of Fingolfin, Thingol, Hador, and Beren- not to mention an angelic being.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 02-28-2005, 01:32 PM

Nah, Elrond's a bit too old. A couple of rounds with 'Gorn and he'd need a rest.

the phantom · 02-28-2005, 01:38 PM

Ha! In elf years he's probably younger than Aragorn.

And do you think it's a coincidence that Hugo W played him? Agent Smith. Only the chosen one, Anakin Skywalker, can defeat Elrond.

(I knew I could pack LOTR, SW, and Matrix into the same post)

Snorri Swifthammer · 02-28-2005, 01:41 PM

Well, if we look at all of Middle Earth history and discount Valar and Maiar then the strongest fighter, by far, was Feanor. Feanor has the distinction of being the only mortal to fight a Valar in melee combat. Though Feanor fell in that battle, that fact he could stand for even a short time says alot.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 02-28-2005, 01:45 PM

Mortal? Valar? You're confusing me Snorri, stop confusing me!

Seriously though, explain.

the phantom · 02-28-2005, 01:59 PM

Actually, Snorri, that was Fingolfin.

But Feanor certainly has a claim. He fought alone against multiple Balrogs (as well as their little orc soldiers) and lasted quite a while. If he were on the list, I would likely vote for Feanor.

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Seriously though, explain

I think by "mortal" he simply meant non Ainu.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 02-28-2005, 02:34 PM

Had Faramir not explicitly stated "lotr", I would argue for Turin. However... I submit Faramir himself. Brute force does not always the best fighter make. Sometimes subtle strength coupled with intelligence goes a long way.

the phantom · 02-28-2005, 02:40 PM

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I would argue for Turin

And you'd probably be right. If I'm honest with myself I give him the edge over Feanor, but I vote Feanor first and Turin second just because Feanor is my favorite character in the world.

(and because my favorite Downer is named after him

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Formendacil · 02-28-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Snorri Swifthammer

Well, if we look at all of Middle Earth history and discount Valar and Maiar then the strongest fighter, by far, was Feanor. Feanor has the distinction of being the only mortal to fight a Valar in melee combat. Though Feanor fell in that battle, that fact he could stand for even a short time says alot.

What Vala was this?

The only one to fight a Vala that I know of is his half-brother Fingolfin, who faced Morgoth before the gates of Angband.

You must be confusing the two.

But if we are merely counting mortals, then we must eliminate all Elves from the list.

In which case, I herewith nominate Elendil, who half-killed (Gil-galad killed the other half) Sauron, WHILE he was wearing the Ring. The fact that he died himself would appear to be negligible.

02-28-2005, 01:30 PM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Don't discount Elrond. He didn't fight in LOTR, but that does not mean he couldn't fight. He didn't because of the whole healing/killing thing that the elves have (if you kill it diminishes your power to heal). I'm sure if it came down to it and Elrond had to pick up a sword he would be a force to reckon with. Never leave someone out of your plans when all his genes come from the likes of Fingolfin, Thingol, Hador, and Beren- not to mention an angelic being. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-28-2005, 01:32 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Nah, Elrond's a bit too old. A couple of rounds with 'Gorn and he'd need a rest. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

02-28-2005, 01:38 PM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Ha! In elf years he's probably younger than Aragorn. And do you think it's a coincidence that Hugo W played him? Agent Smith. Only the chosen one, Anakin Skywalker, can defeat Elrond. (I knew I could pack LOTR, SW, and Matrix into the same post) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-28-2005, 01:45 PM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Mortal? Valar? You're confusing me Snorri, stop confusing me! Seriously though, explain. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

02-28-2005, 02:34 PM	#7
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Had Faramir not explicitly stated "lotr", I would argue for Turin. However... I submit Faramir himself. Brute force does not always the best fighter make. Sometimes subtle strength coupled with intelligence goes a long way. __________________ peace

02-28-2005, 01:41 PM	#4
Snorri Swifthammer Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Erebor Posts: 49	Well, if we look at all of Middle Earth history and discount Valar and Maiar then the strongest fighter, by far, was Feanor. Feanor has the distinction of being the only mortal to fight a Valar in melee combat. Though Feanor fell in that battle, that fact he could stand for even a short time says alot.