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Hidden Spirit
Join Date: May 2000
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Force of will. Indomitable will. Possibly magic is involved. Also: it is a device to make the deaths of those characters more symbolic and profound.
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Scion of The Faithful
Join Date: Apr 2003
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The plot device part I understand. But the other thing, the force of will part, I can't understand. Whose will? The deceased? How could they project their will?
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Hidden Spirit
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The will of the deceased, yes. I was mostly kidding with that part. Though I don't think that anybody would say that those characters were weak willed.
I would also like to add that while this topic was made as a question, and as a question is easily answered, it brings up a very important point in the legendarium, and one well worth discussing. I was half asleep when I decided to come back downstairs and post that. You had better feel special.
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Is it to do with the dead 'living' somewhere else, so to speak? They are dead as far as Middle-earth is concerned but they are still able to affect Middle-earth from another place.
I find the idea of ghosts pretty untenable, but it still makes for a nice story.
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I think a lot of what Tolkien wrote about burial mounds comes from myth and folklore. The ancients worshiped such places as entrances to the underworld. If the person buried within was pure, then so was the mound, and it was an entry to paradise, if on the other hand the person was evil, then it was a place of dread. We see this after The Witch-King corrupts Tyrn Gorthad.
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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This is an interesting question. I'm intrigued by Eomer's idea of the dead living somewhere else.
The spirits of dead elves (and men) go to the Halls of Mandos. Tolkien said that the elves, after a time, could be re-embodied and go to join their kin in Aman. Perhaps from there, they are able to 'watch over' their graves on Middle Earth, as Arwen 'watched over' Aragorn, from afar?
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Hidden Spirit
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No. It doesn't have anything to do with that. Except folklore. Kind of.
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You are nothing if not definite in your observations Burrahobbit! That's it? End of discussion?
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As far as I understand it, barrows and burial mounds are also said to be particularly strong in magnetic and or magical influence as they are often constructed at the meeting points of ley lines. I don't know much about ley lines and such, so I would not like to dismiss the idea out of hand.
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