The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-08-2005, 01:12 AM

Well, one Nutcase (yes, Nutcasm is a school of philosophy with some very interesting ideas, like how they thought the world was made by howler monkeys involved in a lice fight) tried to offer me the 7,108th island of the Philippine archipelago that disappears during the high tide. I denied his offer because I don't want a place that reminds me of Númenor.

As for a private swimming pool . . . well, mine already is the size of Asia.

No, wait--that was my bathtub.

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Is there any inkling as to when Melkor was able to speak and learn from Varsur? Were they ever in Aman at the same time, for example? Also, could these Wargs alter their form? (Eomer)

Well, in the Ainulindalë it is said that Melkor searched for the Flame Imperishable in the Void, but he did not find it. He did, however, find the banished Grawla there.

The Grawlar are discarnate, and there is no documented case of one ever taking physical form. However, with their potency of spirit (one of them could take on all the Valar with their hands tied behind their back while blindfolded), they might be able to.

I guess we just have to wait until the end times come. Then the Grawlar will descend on Arda for the first time.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 03-08-2005, 08:53 AM

Do we need a 'go-between' for Melkor and Varsur? Perhaps not, if the Grawler were themselves the ultimate go-between. I'm sure they could find a way.

SamwiseGamgee · 03-08-2005, 06:09 PM

Nilpaurion, if the Grawlar were discarnate then how were they linked with wargs. Was this simply a name given to them by Eru or did they indeed adopt the form of wargs which we now accept? Please, do not for a moment think that I am criticising you. I merely hope to get to the bottom of this great new discovery you have made!

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-09-2005, 02:09 AM

Well, SamwiseGamgee, according to those Ainur who had the privilege of seeing a Grawla, their very spirits were in the form of Wargs. I don't know how that happens, but it simply does.

It is said the Morgoth made the evil Wargs in mockery of the faithful Grawlar.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 03-09-2005, 08:57 AM

An old crackpot theory of extension suggests that spirits were extended, despite being immaterial. Now, in my class this theory has been attacked quite viciously, but I will do my best in researching the matter. Perhaps that crazy English scholar we were discussing had more wits than we gave him credit for!

Or maybe he was just influenced in his writings by The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread.

03-15-2005, 11:32 AM

Evening,

Gangamel here! Nice to see Wargs getting such a healthy tribute!

I used to breed them in the Rhun Hills until they turned on us. I was away at the time, getting supplies for our colony. My faithful companion, Wargy was with me too. He was strong enough not to be corrupted by the others.

Ah, Wargy! He died some time ago and how I miss him. The people we slaughtered together. Now I am left to fester in the Hills by myself.

Maybe you know of other places where Wargs were bred?

Gangamel The Wicked

P.S. I have failed to live up to my name since the death of Wargy. I have fallen into a deep melancholy unheard of for Orcs.

SamwiseGamgee · 03-16-2005, 03:52 AM

Gangamel, let me be the first to welcome you to the now world famous Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread. It is not often that we have visits from an orc here at the thread, so let me extend a friendly hand to you on behalf of all hobbit-kind.
You are very privileged to have known this Wargy of whom you speak. Tell me, is he the same Wargy to whom Eomer has in past times referred? If so then tell us, was he really as sick and twisted as tales tell. Some have suggested he is the singlemost interesting case study one could have in wargs who went wrong.
Alas, now I must go. May you fester well, Gangamel.

03-08-2005, 08:53 AM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Do we need a 'go-between' for Melkor and Varsur? Perhaps not, if the Grawler were themselves the ultimate go-between. I'm sure they could find a way. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

03-08-2005, 06:09 PM	#3
SamwiseGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the warm bosom of a Warg Posts: 378	Nilpaurion, if the Grawlar were discarnate then how were they linked with wargs. Was this simply a name given to them by Eru or did they indeed adopt the form of wargs which we now accept? Please, do not for a moment think that I am criticising you. I merely hope to get to the bottom of this great new discovery you have made! __________________ -- Well, I'm back.

03-09-2005, 02:09 AM	#4
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Grawlar as Wargs? Well, SamwiseGamgee, according to those Ainur who had the privilege of seeing a Grawla, their very spirits were in the form of Wargs. I don't know how that happens, but it simply does. It is said the Morgoth made the evil Wargs in mockery of the faithful Grawlar. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-09-2005, 08:57 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	An old crackpot theory of extension suggests that spirits were extended, despite being immaterial. Now, in my class this theory has been attacked quite viciously, but I will do my best in researching the matter. Perhaps that crazy English scholar we were discussing had more wits than we gave him credit for! Or maybe he was just influenced in his writings by The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

03-15-2005, 11:32 AM	#6
Gangamel The Wicked Guest Posts: n/a	Ah, Wargy! Evening, Gangamel here! Nice to see Wargs getting such a healthy tribute! I used to breed them in the Rhun Hills until they turned on us. I was away at the time, getting supplies for our colony. My faithful companion, Wargy was with me too. He was strong enough not to be corrupted by the others. Ah, Wargy! He died some time ago and how I miss him. The people we slaughtered together. Now I am left to fester in the Hills by myself. Maybe you know of other places where Wargs were bred? Gangamel The Wicked P.S. I have failed to live up to my name since the death of Wargy. I have fallen into a deep melancholy unheard of for Orcs.

03-16-2005, 03:52 AM	#7
SamwiseGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the warm bosom of a Warg Posts: 378	Gangamel, let me be the first to welcome you to the now world famous Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread. It is not often that we have visits from an orc here at the thread, so let me extend a friendly hand to you on behalf of all hobbit-kind. You are very privileged to have known this Wargy of whom you speak. Tell me, is he the same Wargy to whom Eomer has in past times referred? If so then tell us, was he really as sick and twisted as tales tell. Some have suggested he is the singlemost interesting case study one could have in wargs who went wrong. Alas, now I must go. May you fester well, Gangamel. __________________ -- Well, I'm back.