Arwen's Lament - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lathriel · 03-09-2005, 05:57 PM

Maybe the first verse is also about what Arwen feels when she's thinking of Aragorn.
But I think it can also count for the Hobbits, or the whole fellowship since their experiences change their views on the ME.
E.g Legolas and Gimli's views of the races of dwarves and men.Eowyn's change of heart. Frodo being taken over by the ring's influence.

Evisse the Blue · 03-11-2005, 04:27 PM

The way I see it, it's about MovieArwen being separated from MovieAragorn and pining for him.
But you've got me as to how it fits with the Houses of Healing scene...Maybe they thought that Eowyn could also say such words, since Aragorn is also 'turning away from her'.
Anyway, I find it a bit funny that Philippa says in the Extended ROTK that placing Arwen's lament during Eowyn's healing scene was meant to create a connexion between the two women. Well, the connexion is already, I think, pretty obvious!
(Oh no, here I go again, dumbing it down!

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Arwen Imladris · 03-22-2005, 04:44 PM

Ya, you've got to remember that the song was originally written and recorded to be a song from Arwen to Aragorn, but in the end they just transposed it ontop of the Eowen/Faramir scene. Basically, I'm not sure how much sense is supposed to be in it.

Originally, it looks to be a song about how Arwen longs for Aragorn and how the old world that she knows is passing into the west. She understands what Aragorn must do, but she wishes he could just stay with her.

Where it's placed, however, could be about how they've both faced the darkness and the world will never be the same. They understand each other and can fill the void in each other's hearts, but first they must each let their own guard down.

01-10-2007, 04:11 PM

I think that the first verse of the song is actually Arwen voicing the thoughts and feelings of Eowyn as she realises that Aragorn can never return her love but must fulfill his destiny as a king of men (that sounds so trite!). Eowyn's world is painfully redefining itself as she tries to accept Theoden's death and Aragorn's role in the War of the Ring; Arwen's world changes with her decision to give up passage to the Undying Lands and immortality.
The second verse applies to both women: for Arwen, the time of the Elves is passing (the leaves of Lorien are golden and falling for the last time); for Eowyn, the sun is fading as she mourns her doomed love for Aragorn (an homage to her dream--originally told to Faramir in the Houses of Healing, not to Aragorn in Meduseld--a great wavecomes, she stands upon the brink, and it is utterly dark). The last line ("I wish I could hold you closer") for Arwen is her yearning for his touch when they are separated by distance; for Eowyn it is her hopeless love for a man who could never be hers.
This is all my speculation, of course

03-09-2005, 05:57 PM	#1
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	Maybe the first verse is also about what Arwen feels when she's thinking of Aragorn. But I think it can also count for the Hobbits, or the whole fellowship since their experiences change their views on the ME. E.g Legolas and Gimli's views of the races of dwarves and men.Eowyn's change of heart. Frodo being taken over by the ring's influence. __________________ Back again

03-11-2005, 04:27 PM	#2
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	The way I see it, it's about MovieArwen being separated from MovieAragorn and pining for him. But you've got me as to how it fits with the Houses of Healing scene...Maybe they thought that Eowyn could also say such words, since Aragorn is also 'turning away from her'. Anyway, I find it a bit funny that Philippa says in the Extended ROTK that placing Arwen's lament during Eowyn's healing scene was meant to create a connexion between the two women. Well, the connexion is already, I think, pretty obvious! (Oh no, here I go again, dumbing it down! ) __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

03-22-2005, 04:44 PM	#3
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Ya, you've got to remember that the song was originally written and recorded to be a song from Arwen to Aragorn, but in the end they just transposed it ontop of the Eowen/Faramir scene. Basically, I'm not sure how much sense is supposed to be in it. Originally, it looks to be a song about how Arwen longs for Aragorn and how the old world that she knows is passing into the west. She understands what Aragorn must do, but she wishes he could just stay with her. Where it's placed, however, could be about how they've both faced the darkness and the world will never be the same. They understand each other and can fill the void in each other's hearts, but first they must each let their own guard down. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

01-10-2007, 04:11 PM	#4
merln Guest Posts: n/a	Arwen as the voice of Eowyn I think that the first verse of the song is actually Arwen voicing the thoughts and feelings of Eowyn as she realises that Aragorn can never return her love but must fulfill his destiny as a king of men (that sounds so trite!). Eowyn's world is painfully redefining itself as she tries to accept Theoden's death and Aragorn's role in the War of the Ring; Arwen's world changes with her decision to give up passage to the Undying Lands and immortality. The second verse applies to both women: for Arwen, the time of the Elves is passing (the leaves of Lorien are golden and falling for the last time); for Eowyn, the sun is fading as she mourns her doomed love for Aragorn (an homage to her dream--originally told to Faramir in the Houses of Healing, not to Aragorn in Meduseld--a great wavecomes, she stands upon the brink, and it is utterly dark). The last line ("I wish I could hold you closer") for Arwen is her yearning for his touch when they are separated by distance; for Eowyn it is her hopeless love for a man who could never be hers. This is all my speculation, of course