The Fall of the North Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Saurreg · 05-01-2005, 09:25 PM

I like the suggestions stated and have edited my save according.

The context of the post still stays but Lissi, Renedwen, Brander and the two tots are no longer mentioned. Infact Belegorn now does not know who the victim/s is/are.

Osse · 05-02-2005, 01:14 AM

I was under the impression that Belegorn made his firewall in the main tunnel, that Carthor's small, lost group were turning into... that would make more sense as the trolls are being stopped from going further up this main route - stopped from heading towards the main body of refugees.

I will reread everyone's posts and try to get mine to conform, without changing the fact that Carthor, two women and three children are all stuck with some trolls.

Saurreg · 05-02-2005, 01:22 AM

Hehe Firewall, good one. Perhaps the incendiary was prepared by a chemist of the Norton? Hehehe.

Osse, you are right. The firewall was created in the main corridor to seperate the majority of the refugees from the trolls. At this point of time Belegorn had no idea that by creating this barrier, he had not only sealed himself and the trolls on one side, but Carthor and company also.

Hope that helps.

Osse · 05-02-2005, 01:33 AM

Trying the stop the trolls from hacking their way through... harf harf.

Just finished re-reading/ rewriting... i don't think there is anything that clashes anymore... i have put a little bit in about Brander and the boys though.

Nuranar · 05-02-2005, 08:04 AM

Nice editing, both of you - thanks!

However, I'm still not sure that we're communicating about the situation with Carthor's group and the trolls. Maybe a sketch would help:

.................................................. ........Belegorn waiting in turnoff tunnel...
.........spider tunnel..........................................|. ...................................
................|................................. ..................|............................... .......
................|................................. ..................|............................... ........
................|.....................firewall.... .................|.......A.........B..........C... ....
=======================|===================*=====* =====*===
.....|............................................ ......................................|........... ........
.....|............................................ ......................................|........... ........
......\___________________________________________ _______/...................
..................Carthor's mistake tunnel............................................ .........

== Main tunnel
__ Turnoff tunnel
The main body of refugees, the Elves, Faerim, and soldiers are in the main tunnel to the left, off the map.

My question is, Where are the trolls when Carthor re-enters the main tunnel?
If they're at point A, Carthor is behind them and they're between him and Belegorn.
If they're at point B, Carthor runs into them right when he reaches the main tunnel.
If they're at point C, Carthor meets them head-on.

This is very important because it determines the direction of Carthor's retreat.
A: Carthor retreats forward up the main tunnel (toward points B and C). It should be easy to miss the tunoff back into the mistake tunnel, but it's possible he'll find it.
B: Carthor retreats back up the mistake tunnel and never really re-enters the main tunnel at all.
C: Carthor retreats back up the main tunnel toward Belegorn and the firewall, either missing or re-finding the entrance to the mistake tunnel.

The mistake tunnel bypasses the fire wall. If Carthor's retreat leads him back up the mistake tunnel, the trolls will likely follow him. They will detour around Belegorn and the fire wall without even knowing that they're there. AND they will reenter the main tunnel very close to the main body of refugees.

Do you see my concern? For the story, it's OK not to explain the full situation like that; the people are supposed to be confused themselves. But we need to know where they're going. My post will involve the retreat, but I need to know if we'll run into the firewall or go off in other directions.

Osse · 05-02-2005, 04:01 PM

Lock in 'A'

Nuranar · 05-02-2005, 06:49 PM

Then which tunnel will the retreat take? Will they veer off into the mistake tunnel again, or keep to the main tunnel?

05-01-2005, 09:25 PM	#1
Saurreg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In self imposed exile... Posts: 465	I like the suggestions stated and have edited my save according. The context of the post still stays but Lissi, Renedwen, Brander and the two tots are no longer mentioned. Infact Belegorn now does not know who the victim/s is/are. __________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. " ~Voltaire

05-02-2005, 01:14 AM	#2
Osse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Encircling Sea, deciding which ship to ruin next...could be yours. Posts: 274	I was under the impression that Belegorn made his firewall in the main tunnel, that Carthor's small, lost group were turning into... that would make more sense as the trolls are being stopped from going further up this main route - stopped from heading towards the main body of refugees. I will reread everyone's posts and try to get mine to conform, without changing the fact that Carthor, two women and three children are all stuck with some trolls. __________________ 'A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot system like democracy. At least HE could tell the people he was THEIR fault.'

05-02-2005, 01:22 AM	#3
Saurreg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In self imposed exile... Posts: 465	Hehe Firewall, good one. Perhaps the incendiary was prepared by a chemist of the Norton? Hehehe. Osse, you are right. The firewall was created in the main corridor to seperate the majority of the refugees from the trolls. At this point of time Belegorn had no idea that by creating this barrier, he had not only sealed himself and the trolls on one side, but Carthor and company also. Hope that helps. __________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. " ~Voltaire

05-02-2005, 01:33 AM	#4
Osse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Encircling Sea, deciding which ship to ruin next...could be yours. Posts: 274	Trying the stop the trolls from hacking their way through... harf harf. Just finished re-reading/ rewriting... i don't think there is anything that clashes anymore... i have put a little bit in about Brander and the boys though. __________________ 'A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot system like democracy. At least HE could tell the people he was THEIR fault.' Last edited by Osse; 05-02-2005 at 02:18 AM.

05-02-2005, 08:04 AM	#5
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	Still questioning Nice editing, both of you - thanks! However, I'm still not sure that we're communicating about the situation with Carthor's group and the trolls. Maybe a sketch would help: .................................................. ........Belegorn waiting in turnoff tunnel... .........spider tunnel..........................................\|. ................................... ................\|................................. ..................\|............................... ....... ................\|................................. ..................\|............................... ........ ................\|.....................firewall.... .................\|.......A.........B..........C... .... =======================\|======================== ======== .....\|............................................ ......................................\|........... ........ .....\|............................................ ......................................\|........... ........ ......\___________________________________________ _______/................... ..................Carthor's mistake tunnel............................................ ......... == Main tunnel __ Turnoff tunnel The main body of refugees, the Elves, Faerim, and soldiers are in the main tunnel to the left, off the map. My question is, Where are the trolls when Carthor re-enters the main tunnel? If they're at point A, Carthor is behind them and they're between him and Belegorn. If they're at point B, Carthor runs into them right when he reaches the main tunnel. If they're at point C, Carthor meets them head-on. This is very important because it determines the direction of Carthor's retreat. A: Carthor retreats forward up the main tunnel (toward points B and C). It should be easy to miss the tunoff back into the mistake tunnel, but it's possible he'll find it. B: Carthor retreats back up the mistake* tunnel and never really re-enters the main tunnel at all. C: Carthor retreats back up the main tunnel toward Belegorn and the firewall, either missing or re-finding the entrance to the mistake tunnel. The mistake tunnel bypasses the fire wall. If Carthor's retreat leads him back up the mistake tunnel, the trolls will likely follow him. They will detour around Belegorn and the fire wall without even knowing that they're there. AND they will reenter the main tunnel very close to the main body of refugees. Do you see my concern? For the story, it's OK not to explain the full situation like that; the people are supposed to be confused themselves. But we need to know where they're going. My post will involve the retreat, but I need to know if we'll run into the firewall or go off in other directions. __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

05-02-2005, 04:01 PM	#6
Osse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Encircling Sea, deciding which ship to ruin next...could be yours. Posts: 274	Lock in 'A' __________________ 'A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot system like democracy. At least HE could tell the people he was THEIR fault.'

05-02-2005, 06:49 PM	#7
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	Then which tunnel will the retreat take? Will they veer off into the mistake tunnel again, or keep to the main tunnel? __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey