Saruman's economic infrastructure unexplained?

[mormegil]

I particularly agree with the Dunland Theory. However, in reading these posts it has made me question how orc populations not under any direct control supported themselves with food. For example the orcs from Moria--they didn't have any real way to do this. Is there any explanation given on this in HoME? I can understand how Sauron's orcs received their sustenance but how would those in places like Moria do it? I don't think you could hunt for that amount of food. Also cannibalization wouldn't really work that well.

[Gil-Galad]

Cannibalization works...plus Moria goblins have been know nto venture out of hte caves and attack once and awhile, they probaly plunder when their out there

[mormegil]

Would they be able to plunder sufficient quantities and cannibalize enough to truly sustance themselves?

[Kuruharan]

I would think so. They seemingly bred like rabbits.

[mormegil]

I just can't see that this would be a viable way of sustaning a truly large population. What do others think? If cannibalization was the method would they kill those they would eat or would they wait for them to die either in battle or of age? My guess is that they would just kill those who were weaker.

[Kuruharan]

The population of Moria during normal times was not that great.

[the orcs in Moria] were in fact not very numerous

-UT footnote 11 The Hunt for the Ring

Moria seems to have been garrisoned rather than settled. The Balrog may not have wanted too many cohabitants.

Also remember that in Middle earth, the hunting is not entirely above ground. "Things" lived underground too, and I doubt that the orcs would refuse to eat them.

EDIT: Also remember the remarks of Gorbag and Shagrat about "Going to the Pot" are rather suggestive.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by mormegil

I just can't see that this would be a viable way of sustaning a truly large population. What do others think? If cannibalization was the method would they kill those they would eat or would they wait for them to die either in battle or of age? My guess is that they would just kill those who were weaker.

Can't see cannibalization as a really good way to sustain or especially build a population. Where is all of the soylent green as it were coming from? It almost sounds like a perpetual motion machine.

Assume that you have 100 full grown fully fed orcs in a cage. How long would they be able to go before the net number of orcs were reduced to where they would be useless as an army? Just sitting around burns calories. One orc would supply X calories, and so assume that one goes into the pot.

So now 99 less than well fed orcs are sitting around on day 2 (or whatever). They're hungry again, as that one orc was just enough. More orcs would need to go into the pot as each orc, being less than well fed, would provide less total calories. Maybe by day 5 it takes 2 orcs to provide X.

Anyway, you need some caloric input into the system.

[Kuruharan]

Evil oft causes its own demise.

(This topic has gotten rather sick and disturbed.)