Aragorn and Arwen: More than kissing? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Anguirel · 05-19-2005, 12:25 AM

Quite, Fea! "No Elessar for you, naughty boy..."

Formendacil, all I mean by quoting the Tale is that Aragorn fell in love with Arwen before he departed for Gondor to become a soldier-reinforcing the love first, war later, point. Also, Gondor was quite as threatened by the Wainriders as Arthedain was by Angmar. The only difference was that Earnil was a great general and Arvedui an indifferent one (not to mention possessing a really depressing, morale lowering name...)

HerenIstarion · 05-19-2005, 02:32 AM

It's merely a speculation!

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I acknowledge high probability of the dates being merely mixed up

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and if he was in a Boromir-like situation as I imagine, then he was also a major captain as well

You bring your own evil with you to Lorien. Major captain as he was, Boromir was actually sent to Imladris. Speculating, as it were, about political reasons of Arvedui serving in Gondor, I don't see barriers for him being sent away.

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...Arvedui an indifferent one...

Would not bet my money on that. Circumstances being what they were, he was an unlucky one, true...

Mithalwen · 05-19-2005, 12:09 PM

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Major captain as he was, Boromir was actually sent to Imladris.

Some might argue that it was Faramir who was sent and Boromir who went.... sorry OT.....

Eruanna · 05-19-2005, 02:01 PM

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But then it ran through my head that this was Aragorn's dream. Subconscious thought. Of course he's going to be dreaming that he's with his true love, in a place with no danger, where they can simply be together.

I saw it more as a memory. Hence my unease at the 'sexing up' of the romance.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-19-2005, 03:45 PM

Or a hallucination.

alatar · 05-27-2005, 11:27 AM

Just finished watching the 'few' seconds of The Captain and the White Lady ROTK EE scene.

Faramir and Eowyn share a few words, Faramir takes Eowyn's hand firmly, they look at each other and she leans over and rests her head on Faramir.

Any doubt that these two are (at this moment) in love?

PJ was able to convey this, at least to me, in a very brief scene with little more than meaningful looks, held hands and possibly an embrace (not sure if Faramir hugs her as Eowyn leans into him).

In comparison, Arwen and Aragorn look like an old married couple.

Parmawen · 06-21-2005, 10:20 PM

I just wanted to point out that Tolkien was a very religious man, and sex out of wedlock is highly frowned upon in it...so I'm pretty sure that HE certainly never put nor hinted it in the books.

As for the movie, it could be that PJ wanted to add some of that appeal, perhaps to bring a rounder audience for the love triangle aspect (which I thought was really overdone) but honestly, I thought Aragorn's dream was just plain awkward, as was his kiss with her at the end of ROTK...just because Arwen is after all an elf, and elves are things of beauty and grace...so you don't usually expect to see them...making out. It just didn't quite fit with the characters.

05-19-2005, 12:25 AM	#1
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Quite, Fea! "No Elessar for you, naughty boy..." Formendacil, all I mean by quoting the Tale is that Aragorn fell in love with Arwen before he departed for Gondor to become a soldier-reinforcing the love first, war later, point. Also, Gondor was quite as threatened by the Wainriders as Arthedain was by Angmar. The only difference was that Earnil was a great general and Arvedui an indifferent one (not to mention possessing a really depressing, morale lowering name...) __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

05-19-2005, 03:45 PM	#5
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Or a hallucination. __________________ peace

06-21-2005, 10:20 PM	#7
Parmawen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Stuck in the center of Spooky Hollow... Posts: 75	I just wanted to point out that Tolkien was a very religious man, and sex out of wedlock is highly frowned upon in it...so I'm pretty sure that HE certainly never put nor hinted it in the books. As for the movie, it could be that PJ wanted to add some of that appeal, perhaps to bring a rounder audience for the love triangle aspect (which I thought was really overdone) but honestly, I thought Aragorn's dream was just plain awkward, as was his kiss with her at the end of ROTK...just because Arwen is after all an elf, and elves are things of beauty and grace...so you don't usually expect to see them...making out. It just didn't quite fit with the characters. __________________ I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew. Of wind I sang, I wind there came, and in the branches blew... -Galadriel

05-27-2005, 11:27 AM	#6
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Just finished watching the 'few' seconds of The Captain and the White Lady ROTK EE scene. Faramir and Eowyn share a few words, Faramir takes Eowyn's hand firmly, they look at each other and she leans over and rests her head on Faramir. Any doubt that these two are (at this moment) in love? PJ was able to convey this, at least to me, in a very brief scene with little more than meaningful looks, held hands and possibly an embrace (not sure if Faramir hugs her as Eowyn leans into him). In comparison, Arwen and Aragorn look like an old married couple.