The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > The Books
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-23-2005, 02:11 PM   #1
Eruanna
Memento Mori
 
Eruanna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Past The Point Of No Return
Posts: 1,117
Eruanna has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

What would have happened to Gollum is certainly open to speculation. One thing for sure is that Frodo would, at least, still have all of his fingers
__________________
"Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."
Eruanna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2005, 02:50 PM   #2
mormegil
Maundering Mage
 
mormegil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 4,651
mormegil is a guest at the Prancing Pony.mormegil is a guest at the Prancing Pony.
I tend to agree that Gollum, if he survived, would be completely hopeless and miserable. His "addiction" as you called it would never be eased and would gnaw at him until he died. Now I think it's likely that he would have actually jumped into the fire as Eomer stated. However, had he not jumped into the fire he, like Sauron, may have been destroyed. His power and life was tied up in the ring and it's destruction could have brought about his own.
__________________
“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
mormegil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2005, 04:40 AM   #3
Celebuial
Wight
 
Celebuial's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Cardiff during term time/Leicester in the holl's
Posts: 129
Celebuial has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via MSN to Celebuial
I agree partly with Mormegil, but I don't think Gollum or I suppose Smeagol (seeing as The Ring is gone), would've perished. Sauron, put some of his 'life force' into The Ring when it was created, thus binding his fate to that of The Ring. Gollum however, had 'an addiction' to The Ring, and although his fate was undoubtably tied up with the fate of The Ring in general, I find it hard to believe that he would be destroyed if The Ring was. Part of him, Gollum may have been destroyed, but I think it more likely that he would hang around to torment him until he died a long, long time later: Smeagol didn't willingly give all of himself up to The Ring; a small part of him resisted. Frodo, although he was in possession of The Ring for a much shorter time span, was permanently tormented by the thought of The Ring, even after its destruction. Maybe this suggests that Sauron's spirit was somehow reaching out to him from The Void, or maybe Eru never meant for such creatures to take such torment, and his mind was permanently scared. I don't think that part of Frodo was destroyed though, just that he saw the world differently, and had endured too much.
__________________
Ú cilith ‘war.
Ú men ‘war.
Boe min mebi.
Boe min bango.

Last edited by Celebuial; 05-24-2005 at 06:30 AM.
Celebuial is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2005, 12:29 PM   #4
eowyntje
Animated Skeleton
 
eowyntje's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: the Netherlands
Posts: 47
eowyntje has just left Hobbiton.
After they lost he ring, both Bilbo and Frodo aged quicker. Isn't it likely that Gollum, after having lived on the ring for over 500 years, would age very fast and die within a very short time after the distruction of the ring?
If of course he would not kill himself or be killed by the ring before such a thing could happen.
__________________
No matter what they think or what they do, No matter what they feel
Or what they see in you, You're gonna get there, Whatever they say,
And nobody's going to stand, in the way
eowyntje is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2005, 03:55 PM   #5
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Auspicious Wraith
 
Eomer of the Rohirrim's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 4,859
Eomer of the Rohirrim is a guest at the Prancing Pony.Eomer of the Rohirrim is a guest at the Prancing Pony.
Boots

Good idea; he might shrivel up and die within seconds, because he had the Ring for so long.
__________________
Los Ingobernables de Harlond
Eomer of the Rohirrim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2005, 08:58 PM   #6
obloquy
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
obloquy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: WA
Posts: 941
obloquy has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to obloquy
I think it's possible that Gollum would've felt relieved. His actions and lust for the Ring might have been the Ring's will and not his own. Note that he calls the Ring "Precious" as well as the second voice that guides his more devious actions. Perhaps he would have been exhausted, as Frodo was, but maybe his seeming insanity and obsession would have been lifted with the Ring's destruction.
obloquy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2005, 11:20 PM   #7
Kitanna
Child of the West
 
Kitanna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn
Posts: 2,132
Kitanna is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.Kitanna is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.
Shield

Supposing Frodo had willing thrown the Ring into the fires I think Gollum would have gone after Frodo. He probably would have fought with Frodo anyway. I honestly think he'd go in after it and drag Frodo down with him. After all Frodo was the one who destroyed his precious.
__________________
"Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain
Kitanna is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:22 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.