Pippin's Song - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Guinevere · 05-28-2005, 03:27 PM

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But the same words can take on even opposite meanings depending on context.

The verses become only ambiguous or even change in meaning because in the movie the lines that refer to coming home:

Then world behind and home ahead,
We'll wander back to home and bed.
and
Fire and lamp, and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed!

are left out!

I didn't recognize where the words of Pippin's song came from for a long time, because the mood is so very different from the original walking song.

Kath · 05-28-2005, 03:44 PM

Guinevere you make a great point with the word changing thing, except that it was kinda my original question. Were the words changed to change the tone of the song? Seeing the answers here I think the answer now is yes.

Guinevere · 06-01-2005, 07:42 AM

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Were the words changed to change the tone of the song?

I think so too. They were looking for something for Pippin to sing before Denethor . In this situation something cheerful wouldn't have been fitting.

Estelyn Telcontar · 06-01-2005, 12:07 PM

Pippin's song was a cover version! We have similar things being done today, and sometimes a new version of the same song will sound completely different and fresh. The same song could be a march or a lullaby, depending on how it's sung, and a soloist who likes to improvise will embellish the notes - that's a good tradition in both classical music, especially of the Baroque age, and in jazz. The song was well done and appropriate for the occasion, so I have no problem with Pippin's changed version.

05-28-2005, 03:44 PM	#2
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Guinevere you make a great point with the word changing thing, except that it was kinda my original question. Were the words changed to change the tone of the song? Seeing the answers here I think the answer now is yes. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

06-01-2005, 12:07 PM	#4
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Pippin's song was a cover version! We have similar things being done today, and sometimes a new version of the same song will sound completely different and fresh. The same song could be a march or a lullaby, depending on how it's sung, and a soloist who likes to improvise will embellish the notes - that's a good tradition in both classical music, especially of the Baroque age, and in jazz. The song was well done and appropriate for the occasion, so I have no problem with Pippin's changed version. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'