Dragged down by an Uruk? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Folwren · 06-25-2005, 07:25 AM

I'd never heard of it, but my theory would be that Jackson wanted to add something to make it more 'exciting'. I'm soooo glad that he took it out. That part of the movie is so dramatic and beautiful that an Uruk would have ruined it.

I could see why that would be difficult to play, though...

Perhaps he was going to have Sam come out and save Frodo and then say 'Hey, you can't live with out me even here...much less in Mordor. I'm coming.' I don't know.

Elianna · 06-25-2005, 08:38 AM

Maybe Frodo was actually going to save himself to show us that "Look, he's not completely helpless/hopeless."

It sounds like the Uruk was already under the water from the interview. How could that be? Was he taking a lovely little snorkling trip, while his bros were off trying to kill the Fellowship?

Here's another question about this scene: How close is Rauros? How much danger is there of them falling over the waterfall the more time they linger? Maybe that was the reason PJ changed it, because it was too long, and they would've fallen be the time the Uruk was fought off.

Ainaserkewen · 06-25-2005, 06:42 PM

It's a puzzle, a very well guarded puzzle it seems.

Maybe we should track done some Ringers and see if they know anything...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-26-2005, 07:37 AM

The notorious Water-Orcs were foes the likes of which Middle-earth had never seen before. Their speciality seemed to be in dragging Hobbits and small children into the water and then being killed by them. Unsurprisingly, the Water-Orcs did not last long. Sauron found them to be wholly unuseful. Mass unemployment followed and the Water-Orcs were reduced to living in caves picking fights with rats and badgers; fights they would usually lose.

They were thought to die out soon after the Fourth Age began. What Ainaserkewen speaks of was obviously a homage to the species by Peter Jackson, cut from the film because the audience wouldn't 'get it'.

The Water-Orc in the film was to be drowned by Frodo, after the Hobbit got him in a headlock and held him underwater for about 120 seconds. Alternative reports from deep within the movie-camp suggest that the scene was ditched because it was completely awful and boring.

Folwren · 06-26-2005, 11:11 AM

That was all sarcasm, right?

Anguirel · 06-26-2005, 11:16 AM

No, in deadly earnest. You should procure a copy of The Unstarted Tales.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-26-2005, 11:18 AM

It might have been a joke. What I really wanted to say (on topic) is that the scene alluded to with Frodo and the Water-Orc reminds me of the scene with Merry and Pippin in Fangorn. Why couldn't they have just met Treebeard? Why did the director need to throw in another bloody Orc?

"I'm going to put a maggot-hole in your belly!" Oh really? Well, actually, I'd rather get some Hobbit-Ent dialogue going so if you'd kindly remove yourself from the scene, that would be......ah, thank you.

Elianna · 06-26-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

The notorious Water-Orcs were foes the likes of which Middle-earth had never seen before. Their speciality seemed to be in dragging Hobbits and small children into the water and then being killed by them.

So that's what happened to Frodo's parents.

Ainaserkewen · 06-27-2005, 12:31 AM

Eomer, you have a taste for the dramatics lately don't you...though, you are my favourtie person at the moment.

So I couldn't catch any Ringers...they're just as mysterious I suppose, so unless anyone is bi (Downer/Ringer) my plan fails.

Balin999 · 06-27-2005, 03:19 PM

I guess if I'd seen this fish-orc I'd would not have even liked "the fellowship" which is the only one that I don't think of as not-so-good-as-people-say.
Come on, PJ, an orc in the water? out of nowhere?

that leads to another question... is there any written evidence that orks could swim? (maybe a new threat in the books? and pls don't tell me about the orks in world of warcraft

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06-25-2005, 07:25 AM	#1
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I'd never heard of it, but my theory would be that Jackson wanted to add something to make it more 'exciting'. I'm soooo glad that he took it out. That part of the movie is so dramatic and beautiful that an Uruk would have ruined it. I could see why that would be difficult to play, though... Perhaps he was going to have Sam come out and save Frodo and then say 'Hey, you can't live with out me even here...much less in Mordor. I'm coming.' I don't know. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

06-25-2005, 08:38 AM	#2
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Maybe Frodo was actually going to save himself to show us that "Look, he's not completely helpless/hopeless." It sounds like the Uruk was already under the water from the interview. How could that be? Was he taking a lovely little snorkling trip, while his bros were off trying to kill the Fellowship? Here's another question about this scene: How close is Rauros? How much danger is there of them falling over the waterfall the more time they linger? Maybe that was the reason PJ changed it, because it was too long, and they would've fallen be the time the Uruk was fought off. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

06-25-2005, 06:42 PM	#3
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	It's a puzzle, a very well guarded puzzle it seems. Maybe we should track done some Ringers and see if they know anything... __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

06-26-2005, 07:37 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The notorious Water-Orcs were foes the likes of which Middle-earth had never seen before. Their speciality seemed to be in dragging Hobbits and small children into the water and then being killed by them. Unsurprisingly, the Water-Orcs did not last long. Sauron found them to be wholly unuseful. Mass unemployment followed and the Water-Orcs were reduced to living in caves picking fights with rats and badgers; fights they would usually lose. They were thought to die out soon after the Fourth Age began. What Ainaserkewen speaks of was obviously a homage to the species by Peter Jackson, cut from the film because the audience wouldn't 'get it'. The Water-Orc in the film was to be drowned by Frodo, after the Hobbit got him in a headlock and held him underwater for about 120 seconds. Alternative reports from deep within the movie-camp suggest that the scene was ditched because it was completely awful and boring. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-26-2005, 11:11 AM	#5
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	That was all sarcasm, right? __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

06-26-2005, 11:16 AM	#6
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	No, in deadly earnest. You should procure a copy of The Unstarted Tales. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

06-26-2005, 11:18 AM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It might have been a joke. What I really wanted to say (on topic) is that the scene alluded to with Frodo and the Water-Orc reminds me of the scene with Merry and Pippin in Fangorn. Why couldn't they have just met Treebeard? Why did the director need to throw in another bloody Orc? "I'm going to put a maggot-hole in your belly!" Oh really? Well, actually, I'd rather get some Hobbit-Ent dialogue going so if you'd kindly remove yourself from the scene, that would be......ah, thank you. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-27-2005, 12:31 AM	#9
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Eomer, you have a taste for the dramatics lately don't you...though, you are my favourtie person at the moment. So I couldn't catch any Ringers...they're just as mysterious I suppose, so unless anyone is bi (Downer/Ringer) my plan fails. __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

06-27-2005, 03:19 PM	#10
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	I guess if I'd seen this fish-orc I'd would not have even liked "the fellowship" which is the only one that I don't think of as not-so-good-as-people-say. Come on, PJ, an orc in the water? out of nowhere? that leads to another question... is there any written evidence that orks could swim? (maybe a new threat in the books? and pls don't tell me about the orks in world of warcraft ) __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...