The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > The Books
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts


 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
Old 07-02-2005, 01:22 PM   #4
VanimaEdhel
Etheral Enchantress
 
VanimaEdhel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Wellesley College!
Posts: 1,461
VanimaEdhel has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to VanimaEdhel Send a message via MSN to VanimaEdhel
Silmaril

Quote:
Originally Posted by yavanna II
THen, if you do, then you are putting on a blind trust in a sense that you don't know what He wants.

It is a matter of faith. The Wise and the other people hoped if not prayed that Eru/Iluvatar guide them in their works... just like the most of us humans pray yet still do our tasks.

It's rather hard to explain in English.... I can't put the words together...
I think I understand what you are trying to say - Eru/Iluvatar can guide you to a correct path, but you must be the one to walk it. There is an element of choice, perhaps an inevitable outcome waits at the end of each fork, but you have to recognize the fork and try to take the one that will lead you to where you want to go. People should not rely on blind trust, saying, "Eru will take care of me: he will see that all turns out fine in the end." Eru can guide the events of the world, but it's up to the beings that inhabit it to make his will come to pass.

Many people believe that God will aid a person in his/her struggles, but that the person in question has to complete the action. God does not force fate into a rigid little straight line, but can only guide the beings creating history - try to make them see what is the right path and the wrong path.

There is a philosophy that says that with each choice we make, a new universe is created where we take the other path. Under that argument, one would say there is a universe, perhaps, where Frodo managed to hold onto the ring and take it as "his own." Eventually Sauron and the Nazgul would catch up with him. Therefore, there is a world where the quest failed, where Frodo and Sam, among others, died and the world was restored to bleak, dark times. The scene at Mount Doom could have gone so many ways - perhaps there was one where Frodo managed to throw off the ring before Gollum bit off his finger. Perhaps there is even a universe where Tom Bombadil did not come along in time to save the four Halflings.
__________________
"I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes
VanimaEdhel is offline   Reply With Quote
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:15 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.