The Midsummer Maulings (WW5)

[Holbytlass]

It has almost been 12 hours since Miss Marpelwen has ceased. Not on her own accord. And all have spoken except Sophia and Nilp, very puzzling. Maybe not enough time. I shall leave you all for about 8 hours or so.
Just one more thing, Oddwen, I am definite nothing of the lupine persuasion.

[mormegil]

Due to RL demands (4th of July and all) I will need to either vote now or not at all. I would feel that it would be too great of a knee-jerk reaction of me to vote for old Gil. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and presume him an inexperienced innocent who is as distraught as all of us innocents our at Mithawen's death. However I do find it disconcerting how willing Kath was to jump on that bandwagon and then dissapear after I mention the connection.

My current guess is that either Gil-galad is innocent and Kath is a wolf piggy-backing on an innocent or that they are both wolves with a clumsy strategy. I fully realize the ramifications of voting early but I feel that either now or never and I feel it my duty to cast my best vote albeit one with little evidence. But alas this is our current lot--little to no evidence. I feel though that Kath has the most suspicious move of the day. For that I vote

++KATH

If I am wrong I am sorry. I'm going on the best information I have and today we have a slim chance of bagging a wolf but perhaps Kath's behavior upped the odds in our favor a bit.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It is I, Adam Smith, not the comestible Nilpaurion Felagund, who shall be playing with you.

Despite the fact that most of you expect me to play the suspicious character, I shall not, for it is not in my nature to be suspicious, especially when already under suspicion.

So there. Now that I have declared myself, you can have at me all you want.

[Mithalwen]

Ladies and Gentlemen


I would remind you that you have 6hours to go and only 1 vote cast. If you do not reach a majority by 7.30 I will pick someone at random. Complete random....!!

The late, Mith Alwen Marple

[Kath]

I feel though that Kath has the most suspicious move of the day.

I myself find it interesting that Gil attacks me and Kath supports him. I say it's suspicious activity and Kath goes suddenly silent.

I'm sorry you are quite so suspicious of me Mormegil but I'm afraid I was called away on rather urgent business (i.e. sleep and school) and have only just now been able to get here and catch up on what has been happening. I was not so much supporting Gil as mentioning that you seemed to have it in for him a little - which apparently equals 'Wolf!" in your mind. Also, I did in fact become a little suspicious of Gil's innocence myself:

You feeling alright Gil? Or is it the wolfish tendencies in you coming to the surface?

Well to those who are siding with Mormegil on this I would just like to say that my absence had nothing to do with fear of being found out as there is nothing to be found out about me. I am completely innocent and to me it seems a little early to be planning lynchings when we have many hours left to post, look at evidence and vote. I think Mormegil is jumping at chances that are not actually there, maybe an avoidance tactic to get everyone on his side. Also, we have still not heard from Sophia. It seems to me a rather strange thing that Mormegil be so willing to jump on me when there is a member of the village still unaccounted for. I realise RL duties call him away but he did not take that into account when judging me did he?

I hope the rest of you realise that Mormegil is jumping the gun here and that I am entirely innocent.

As to my suspicions, I would still like to hear from Sophia and maybe a bit more from Nilp as his only post claims he is here as his alter-ego, so we already know he's in two minds!

[Gil-Galad]

Quite so Mormegil, though i won't jump to Kath's defence as of yet, though i'll still defend her once and awhile, but not now (no hard feelings) though i'm still waiting for the other non-talkers

[the guy who be short]

I have very real suspicions already, and will voice them in a short while. We must be careful, terribly careful, not to lynch an innocent. I am going over what everybody has said to evaluate motives.

[Gil-Galad]

now that i think about it, theres only 5 hours left, and i have to vote because i'm going to be gone for the next 5-6 hours or so...


now i have to think... i shall reply shortly...

[Gil-Galad]

i have reached my decison

++Holbytlass

no hard feelings my dear, you know that

[the guy who be short]

An explanation would be nice, if you haven't scurried off already.

Please also remember, 5 hours is plenty of time to decide. Do not vote rashly, or we will have the blood of innocents on our hands. There is time for debate yet.

[Kitanna]

Holy flogging schnitt!!!

Originally Posted by mormegil

I would feel that it would be too great of a knee-jerk reaction of me to vote for old Gil. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and presume him an inexperienced innocent who is as distraught as all of us innocents our at Mithawen's death. However I do find it disconcerting how willing Kath was to jump on that bandwagon and then dissapear after I mention the connection.

My current guess is that either Gil-galad is innocent and Kath is a wolf piggy-backing on an innocent or that they are both wolves with a clumsy strategy.

Mmmm, I wish I had looked more closely at that post before. I don't if my vote would have changed, but who knows.

I'm not sure how I can put this, but I will try. Morm says he'll give Gil the benefit of the doubt and that "he is an inexperienced innocent" and then it turns out Gil (the first that is) really was an innocent. Maybe Morm was telling the truth and thought Gil was innocent. Or maybe he knew something the rest of us didn't. This could all be a coinedence or Morm just slipped in his keeping his identity a secret. I can't say for sure, at this point I will say I'm still suspcious of Morm as I was yesterday. I'd really like to see what he has to say about Kath...

I'm also curious about TGWBS and Morm being the first (and with amazing speed) to respond to Oddwen's death. But once again that doesn't actually mean anything. But the cross post was interesting...

[the guy who be short]

I'm going to defend Kath and morm here. I am not associating myself with either, and do not wish to be seen to be doing so, but these are my thoughts.

Originally Posted by morm

However I do find it disconcerting how willing Kath was to jump on that bandwagon and then dissapear after I mention the connection.

She does need to sleep, y'know. She's British.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Morm says he'll give Gil the benefit of the doubt and that "he is an inexperienced innocent" and then it turns out Gil (the first that is) really was an innocent. Maybe Morm was telling the truth and thought Gil was innocent. Or maybe he knew something the rest of us didn't. This could all be a coinedence or Morm just slipped in his keeping his identity a secret.

Complete speculation, m'dear. Each of us is (or at least should be) accusing and defending a myriad of other villagers. If he continues to have such a success rate discerning innocents from wolves, perhaps I will be suspicious. Not so for one person.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I'm also curious about TGWBS and Morm being the first (and with amazing speed) to respond to Oddwen's death. But once again that doesn't actually mean anything. But the cross post was interesting...

It's easy for me to do so, as my internet time corresponds neatly with the start of Day. Also, there is about an hour's notice before the start of Day in the noticeboard thread.

And now, I must sleep. A nap is good for the nose, they say, and I'll be needing mine to sniff out the werewolves amongst us.

*eats a Shortie snack and leaves*

[Orominuialwen]

As I have already explained, the defence I gave of myself (taking the wounded innocent approach) was due to inexperience. Yesterday we lynched an innocent because of behavior that (as far as I can tell) stemmed from inexperience. Let's not make the same mistake twice. tgwbs, your suspicions of me seem to have no basis other than that Durelin disagreed with Firefoot's gut instinct about me. Frankly, I disagree with Durelin's opinion. My first post was indeed suspicious, but as I've said before, that was due to nothing more than inexperience and a love of theatrics. I'm shy in real life, so online it's fun to get to be dramatic once in a while.

I really have no idea why anybody would want to kill Oddwen, as she didn't really seem to be much of a threat. She didn't even vote, after all.

Edit: Cross posted with Gil and Holbytlass

[Gil-Galad]

i agree with Orom, were al lgetting riled up at each other that if one of us dies we all go and convict the person that was lashing at us most, the werewolf is smarter then we think...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Complete speculation, m'dear. Each of us is (or at least should be) accusing and defending a myriad of other villagers. If he continues to have such a success rate discerning innocents from wolves, perhaps I will be suspicious. Not so for one person.

Yes it is complete speculation. But I have a bad feeling about Morm, one which I can't quite explain. It was probably a coinedence, but I'm still watching him a little closer now.

Originally Posted by TGWBS

It's easy for me to do so, as my internet time corresponds neatly with the start of Day. Also, there is about an hour's notice before the start of Day in the noticeboard thread.

I didn't even think of that. I forget sometimes about everyone being on different times. It certainly explains people being absent.

[Durelin]

I'm feeling quite pressured...I'm going to have to vote soon, because I will be absent all of tomorrow (surprise trip that I thought wasn't until thursday).

So...Oro, I, and Holbytlass seem to be getting some suspicion...Kitanna a little, mormegil a little... Really, everyone's suggested almost everyone. When you don't know who your enemies or allies are, I guess that's how things work. And for the wolves...the chaos is most likely most rewarding.

[Durelin]

Well, I'm going with ++Kath.

I read through Firefoot's post, and that made me realize a few things. And I find that how she seems to go along with varying people to be strange.

Sorry to have such a quick vote, but no vote is not an option, is it.

[Firefoot]

I know that I don't have a lot of evidence, cf.:

All of this is slim evidence. In fact, I doubt I'd be convinced if someone else wrote this.

I'm just going with what I have, which obviously isn't a lot.

My suspicions still stand, to a greater or lesser extent. I'm becoming watchful of Durelin (not suspicious, watchful), and I probably suspect Kitanna the most right now. I'm sort of flagging on Oro and Holbytlass.

Right now I'm looking a little closer at the voting of yesterday. Using Morm's list:

Mormegil voted Kath - If Morm is a wolf, Kath is almost definitely not. A wolf would not vote for another wolf right off the bat; there are too many different ways the vote could go.

Gil-Galad(1) voted Holbytlass - Gil1 was innocent, but ungifted. Holbytlass could be either guilty or innocent based on this.

Firefoot voted Orominualwen - You can draw your own conclusions. I've already explained this.

Feanor voted Gil-Galad - Voted for a known innocent; Fea could be a wolf, though at this point I don't think a wolf would be the first person to vote for a given person.

Holbytlass voted Gil-Galad - 2nd person to vote for a known innocent. If she were a wolf, Gil would make the most sense: he already has a vote, will probably get more votes, but she couldn't be accused of bandwaggoning. But she could also be an innocent - it would have been consistent, as she had had her eye on Gil all Day.

TGWBS voted Gil-Galad - This would be a pretty good time for a wolf to vote, and the right candidate. (However, I don't think he is guilty due to Criteria B) above)

Kitanna voted Gil-Galad - If Kitanna voted for Gil, it would be half the total votes needed for Gil to go to the noose. I'm not sure that a wolf would vote for an innocent heading for the noose at this point. It seems more likely to me that a wolf at this point would vote for an innocent already voted for.

Kath voted Orominualwen - This seems to be the most suspicious vote of all. This follows the pattern stated above. She could still be an innocent who was unconvinced of Gil's guilt, but I am unsure. My eye is on Kath now, as well.

Orominualwen voted Gil-Galad - About the same analysis as Kitanna's vote.

Did not voters - I don't think a lot of information can be picked up here. They could be innocent just as easily as guilty.

I'm not sure how much conclusive evidence can be picked up from Day 1's voting at this point. It was pretty blind on the part of the innocents, and we don't know enough about the wolves' styles to pick them out.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Maybe Morm was telling the truth and thought Gil was innocent. Or maybe he knew something the rest of us didn't. This could all be a coincedence or Morm just slipped in his keeping his identity a secret.

Fea's a wolf! Lynch her now while you still have the chance! Now that's a slip. Morm, on the other hand, seems just to have been pointing out the obvious: Gil's inexperienced and just happened to be a little exhuberant. It happens to everyone. I'm not saying that Morm's innocent, because I'm learning to trust other people's gut instincts, but this particular comment seems innocent enough.

Originally Posted by Gil

the werewolf is smarter then we think...

You sound so certain. If you'd be so kind, I'd love to hear your thoughts on wolf strategy. You've got a unique perspective, seeing as how you've already been dead once. I hear it's very liberating.

Originally Posted by Durelin

...Feanor went with the crowd and voted for Gil-galad

Yes... about that... First and foremost, sorry Gil. I have to admit that I should have known better: loud mouth does not a guilty conscience make. Secondly, I don't "go with the crowd". I dance to my own tune. I seem to have memories of voting early in order to slink off to my Independence Day celebrations (still trying to get my hearing back in my right ear, if anyone's interested). How is it band-wagoning to cast your suspicions, vote for the one who seems most guilty, and run off due to RL events? I apologize in advance that I cannot guarantee as much time for this game as all of you, but you have to remember that I was pulled in at very short notice and already had several things in my schedule.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Feanor voted Gil-Galad - Voted for a known innocent

If you'll remember, Firefoot, Gil wasn't a known innocent at the time. Unless you knew it and that was a slip of the tongue? No, I'm kidding. Quite honestly, I have very little suspicion of you. I mean... sure there's some, because you're so darned organized, but that's just jealousy, I think.

Originally Posted by Holby

At this point I'm looking closely at Kittana, Firefoot and Adam (Nilp).

Holby, you consider Firefoot to be one of the "quiet ones"? She's spoken more than you have, so what does that say about you? Not accusing you, mind, just something that caught my eye.

Originally Posted by Morm

My feelings and logic dictate that we watch [TGWBS] more carefully he's smooth and expert in these matters. He's not to be taken lightly. Probably guilty

I disagree with you, Morm. I'm not sure why, but I doubt his guilt. I'd hate to see him lynched just because he's smart. Heck, we can use intelligence like his on this sort of mission... quest... thing. While I do think he bears quite a lot of watching, because he could so easily be tricking us, I don't see him as a threat right now. No doubt that will change, as I'm just a fickle wee lass who gets ideas from the smallest comments, but... you know... I'm just like that.

Originally Posted by Morm

Us loud mouths are being too good a shield for them.

I finally agree with you! I say that we "loud mouths" back off to let the quiet ones do some work. It would be entirely too easy for a wolf to sit in the shadows and watch us argue. I can so vividly picture the lot of them (four!?!? We're screwed.) laughing at us as we bicker.

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Holby, you consider Firefoot to be one of the "quiet ones"? She's spoken more than you have, so what does that say about you? Not accusing you, mind, just something that caught my eye.

I didn't see this post till now, it had slipped in between my typing and posting.
I don't consider Firefoot a 'quiet' one, I had put forth my idea of wolf hunting, and then I wanted to be sure to give my own thoughts on who I was looking at. It happened to blend together.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I disagree with you, Morm. I'm not sure why, but I doubt his guilt. I'd hate to see him lynched just because he's smart. Heck, we can use intelligence like his on this sort of mission... quest... thing.

And that'll be the death of you all...

Since it looks like I'm going to die anyway I'm going to go ahead and stick my foot even further into my mouth.

++ mormegil

Over the last day I've been going back and looking over morm's role in all this. I was wary of him on day one and I still am. Him and Gil-Gald1 looked as though they were going to vote for one another, but suddenly both voted for different people. On morm's part he said it was because "I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's an innocent." Well if we had all given Gil1 the benefit of the doubt he wouldn't have been lynched. Morm's statement worries and unnerves me. Some are simply riding it off, but I'm going with a Freudian slip. He seems all too certain for my tastes.

Also yesterday he was so sure it was Kath who was our wolf. But day 2 rolls around and then he changed his mind because Gil1 died. She went from number one on his list to simply "possibly guilty".

So I can up with a few theories about him and Kath
1) They're both wolves. Very confident wolves that is. Morm was really the only one pushing for Kath and they both knew not enough people would vote for her. Trying to lead us off the scent.
2) They have a werewolf/mythomaniac relationship. Morm wants her dead, but Kath allies herself with the wolves and then Morm tells us he's let some of his suspcions about her down. Saying he thought she was innocent after voting for her would be rather stupid.

I may not be the brightest penny in the fountain, but I know when something's not right and something is not right with morm.

So go ahead and lynch me, but you're not going even the scores with the wolves.

[the guy who be short]

Okay, Kitanna's vote really confuses me. A sensible vote for both a wolf and an innocent would be somebody already mentioned, ie Gil or Holby. What do we make of this?

Do my eyes deceive me entirely? Are we actually plotting out a bandwagon approach? Do you people realize that with bandwagoning as the accepted option, that nobody's vote can seriously be taken as hard evidence? If we all vote the same, wolves can hide. Or was that your plan, Holby?

I'm in charge of the bandwaggoning, Fea. We have to organise this. No village has ever had to deal with four wolves before. If the wolves band together in their votes, which is so obviously a bad ida that we could miss it, we'd have four votes for an innocent. That could easily sway the rest of the villagers.
By planning out who we want to vote for and who we think is guilty, we can reach a compromise. This person would be who the majority of people have on their suspect list, if not somebody on the top of everybody's list.
This then means that the wolves cannot influence the vote as much. People don't see "Four votes for person X, he must be guilty" and then get tempted to join in. It also means, if the villagers are striking near to the mark, the wolves cannot use the tactic of accusing one of their fellows (though not voting for them). If somebody is second or third on everybody's list, it is safer to lynch them. A wolf cannot accuse a fellow wolf because then this person's name goes on the list.

I'm not sure how much sense I'm making, but the point is, the idea works. Or should do.

[mormegil]

Currently I would rather vote for Durelin as I mentioned earlier. We have an interesting dynamic in this game where a clear majority needs to be reached. So bandwagoning isn't alltogether a bad thing. But her approach wasn't explained so I see some suspicion in Holby. I will probably vote for either Holby or Kitanna who I have mentioned before as well. Holby is new on my list but Fea's arguement actual does make some sense .

As for Kitanna's vote for me it's a bit odd and weak evidence at best. At that stage odds are you could pick anybody at random and say they are innocent and be correct. I, however, never stated definatively that Gil1 was innocent but that there is doubt in my mind as to his guilt and I'm giving him the benefit of that doubt. I want to preserve and innocents life and I'm accused based on that...

Well I shall be back soon and give my vote. Again I'd prefer Durelin today but seemingly the tide is going elsewhere.

[the guy who be short]

TGWBS: Huh?

Let me try to explain better.

Say that all the villagers think Feanor () seems guilty. However, every member thinks somebody else seems even more guilty than Feanor. TGWBS thinks durelin is guiltier than Feanor, but think mormegil is innocent. Kath thinks mormegil seems guiltier than Feanor, but thinks durelin is innocent.

Normally, in this scenario, TGWBS would vote for durelin and Kath for mormegil. Votes would be spread out. Even though there was very real suspicion of Feanor in all minds, nobody votes for her.

It seems that a lot of us think Kitanna seems guilty, and I am certainly one of them. I believe durelin seems guilter than her, but have compromised and voted Kitanna instead, as a greater number of villagers think she is likely to be a wolf.

Comprendrez?

Additionally, this makes it hard for wolves to "point fingers" at one another as they often do, because as soon as they make an accusation, that person has one more "point," and so is more likely to be voted for by consensus and compromise.

The flaw I see with my plan is that all four wolves could name an innocent as a suspect so we could see this innocent lynched as a result. However, for the moment, I am still willing to compromise with the death of Kitanna.

[the guy who be short]

You realize that if the wolves decide to sacrifice one of their own, your plan is shot?

Who cares? The point is about getting a wolf now. If they sacrifice one of their own at this stage, I don't really care, because we're still getting that wolf and preventing us from dealing with horrible odds tomorrow.

Mormegil: durelin does indeed look suspicious, and unless something changes, I for one will be pushing for her lynching tomorrow. As you said, though, consensus is quite vital at this stage.

Kitanna still has a majority of votes, and I don't think that's changing. However, if you think Holby looks more wolfy than Kitanna, be tactical and vote for her! She has a chance of being lynched, at least. I don't think a vote for durelin at this point will have any effect.

To clarify: I don't want to implement the plan I have laid out below tomorrow due to the two big gaping holes in it. I simply think it's better to use it now, for one day, to bag us that werewolf.