The return of Sauron - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

davem · 07-06-2005, 11:59 AM

Probably not Sauron, but I've always been intrigued by the fate of the WK:

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'Eowyn! Eowyn!' cried Merry. Then tottering, struggling up, with her last strength she drove her sword between crown and mantle, as the great shoulders bowed before her. The sword broke sparkling into many shards. The crown rolled away with a clang. Eowyn fell forward upon her fallen foe. But lo! the mantle and hauberk were empty. Shapeless they lay now on the ground, torn and tumbled; and a cry went up into the shuddering air, and faded to a shrill wailing, passing with the wind, a voice bodiless and thin that died, and was swallowed up and was never heard again in that age of this world.

Should this be taken to mean that he was heard again in a later age?

mormegil · 07-06-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by davem

Probably not Sauron, but I've always been intrigued by the fate of the WK:

Should this be taken to mean that he was heard again in a later age?

I wouldn't say that it should be taken to mean that he will appear later on. I think it opens the possibility of a return though I don't agree that it would happen. I was under the impression that all the wraiths power was due to the ring and Sauron and with their destruction the wraiths were destroyed too. Perhaps they live still as servants of the shadow of Sauron but even a lesser shadown than he.

alatar · 07-06-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by davem

Should this be taken to mean that he was heard again in a later age?

The text may be referring to an appearance in the last battle, the Dagor Dagorath - if Morgoth gets to come back, then why not Sauron and subsequently why not the Witch-King?

Or it was referring to the PJ movies...not sure

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07-06-2005, 03:34 PM

I think Tolkien must have thought long and hard about how to stir up disorder in ME again, or for a new (or old) enemy to arise. In the end he probably thought that he would end up with a much poorer version of parts of LOTR.

Still, the idea behind the lost secrets of the Rings of Power being studied again by a lord of Gondor, or the appearance of another hidden Balrog, disturbed from his rest, could be good starters. the WK making a dramatic return in another but lesser form would be interesting.

Or is THIS ALL wishful thinking?

mormegil · 07-06-2005, 03:42 PM

If if there were more Balrog's (which is possible) I don't see them as that great of a threat as say Sauron or Melkor were. They cannot lead their minions. Their power is much more limited so to speak.

07-06-2005, 03:48 PM

Maybe some of the men of ME would turn to evil, and worship a Balrog as their lord?

Gurthang · 07-06-2005, 11:00 PM

I've always thought that an interesting sequel would be the Blue Wizards coming back from the East, leading the Easterlings and Southrons to wage war on Gondor again. I've always been fascinated by the Blue Wizards, and the lack of information about them. Bringing them in as main characters/evil lords would be pretty cool.

07-07-2005, 12:06 AM

If my memory serves me well, Melkor was able to either evade capture by the other Valar, or manage to worm out of it in the end. He was the most powerful among the Valar in the beginning, who is to say that in his thousands of years confinement he was not able to find a way out of his prison, or if he was imprisoned in a void as for some reason my memory is telling me, who is to say he is not or was not able to utilize the energy of his prison to make himself stronger and break free?

07-06-2005, 03:42 PM	#5
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	If if there were more Balrog's (which is possible) I don't see them as that great of a threat as say Sauron or Melkor were. They cannot lead their minions. Their power is much more limited so to speak. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

07-06-2005, 11:00 PM	#7
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	I've always thought that an interesting sequel would be the Blue Wizards coming back from the East, leading the Easterlings and Southrons to wage war on Gondor again. I've always been fascinated by the Blue Wizards, and the lack of information about them. Bringing them in as main characters/evil lords would be pretty cool. __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

07-07-2005, 12:06 AM	#8
Morgoth_Reborn Guest Posts: n/a	Melkor again If my memory serves me well, Melkor was able to either evade capture by the other Valar, or manage to worm out of it in the end. He was the most powerful among the Valar in the beginning, who is to say that in his thousands of years confinement he was not able to find a way out of his prison, or if he was imprisoned in a void as for some reason my memory is telling me, who is to say he is not or was not able to utilize the energy of his prison to make himself stronger and break free?

07-06-2005, 03:34 PM	#4
Mansun Guest Posts: n/a	I think Tolkien must have thought long and hard about how to stir up disorder in ME again, or for a new (or old) enemy to arise. In the end he probably thought that he would end up with a much poorer version of parts of LOTR. Still, the idea behind the lost secrets of the Rings of Power being studied again by a lord of Gondor, or the appearance of another hidden Balrog, disturbed from his rest, could be good starters. the WK making a dramatic return in another but lesser form would be interesting. Or is THIS ALL wishful thinking?

07-06-2005, 03:48 PM	#6
Mansun Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe some of the men of ME would turn to evil, and worship a Balrog as their lord?