The Midsummer Maulings (WW5)

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Kath

And I wanted to mention something about your mytho idea. If I were this person why are you so certain that I would have become a wolf? To the best of my knowledge the mythomane was allowed to choose the person they wanted to turn into. Since I did not know who was a wolf and who an innocent on the first day then if I were the mytho and made this choice I would have a higher chance of staying an ordinary, ungifted, innocent villager.

Notice how the number of wolves magically changed from three to four, dear?

Originally Posted by Kath

TGWBS supported every decision she made, never explaining his own reasons for suspecting people, just piggybacking on those of Firefoot.

I remember doing this once, in the accusation of you. Any more? Quotes? No?

Originally Posted by Kath

He is rushing people to vote, in my opinion to prevent them from having time to form their own ideas, and to make them afraid to vote against his suspects.

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Originally Posted by Me

I'm not rushing people. I'm asking a question... Certainly I don't intend to vote until we have heard from all villagers, or until it is reasonably late [in the Day].

Why would I want to make people afraid to vote against my suspects anyway? Surely I'd want them to support me...

Congratulations. What a terribly interesting post.

[Kath]

Notice how the number of wolves magically changed from three to four, dear?

I hate to admit utter stupidity but no, I really didn't think of that . Well, at least I know where that idea came from now!

I'm afraid I have no quotes from previous pages due to computer troubles (which I would explain but it would take a lot of space and remove us from this dimension slightly).

I apparently cross-posted with you as I didn't see you say that you weren't rushing people. Which I still don't agree with. You were rushing people but then you were called on it and stopped, presumably to try and protect yourself from any suspicion.

Why would I want to make people afraid to vote against my suspects anyway? Surely I'd want them to support me...

This sentence does not make sense. Yes you want people to support you, you want them to vote for who you say so that they don't vote for you. Therefore you push your points and your ideas so that others do not wish to vote differently to you because you will cry "Wolf!" if they do. Making people afraid to vote against you would mean they had to support you.

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by ath

I'm afraid I have no quotes from previous pages due to computer troubles (which I would explain but it would take a lot of space and remove us from this dimension slightly).

Not to worry, I shall go back and analyse everything Firefoot and I said yesterday. Expect a post containing surprisingly little in it soon.

Originally Posted by Kath

You were rushing people but then you were called on it and stopped, presumably to try and protect yourself from any suspicion.

Please explain. Asking whether there is anybody in the entire village that trusts you is rushing... how? Not voting until I was sure of consensus is rushing how? Rushing would be something like jumping on morm yesterday. If I wanted to rush, I'm sure I could have voted for you and garnered quite a lot of support initially.

Originally Posted by Kath

you want them to vote for who you say so that they don't vote for you.

Well done.

Originally Posted by Kath

Therefore you push your points and your ideas so that others do not wish to vote differently to you because you will cry "Wolf!" if they do.

Pushing my points is merely my duty to the village. I am willing to consider other viewpoints and other evidence indicating other villagers, though I will now almost definitely be voting for you, support or no.
If others vote differently to me, I shall certainly be drawing conclusions, and certainly if you end up guilty. I will delay my cries of "Wolf!" to the morrow.

Originally Posted by Kath

Making people afraid to vote against you would mean they had to support you.

In a village of three, perhaps.

Please enlighten us - how exactly did you think a fourth wolf appeared?

Coming soon, an analysis of the extent to which Firefoot and I supported one another.

[the guy who be short]

I post that I have evidence against Morm. Later, Firefoot says:

Having since gone through the thread again, one thing that I've noticed is that our seer Kitanna seemed quite certain that Morm was a wolf. This may be our best bet for catching a wolf.

She supports me, rather than vice versa, or me trying to piggyback off her.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I think that we can be quite certain as well that Holbytlass is innocent, else she would not have changed her vote to herself when an innocent was about to die.
We should also be looking at who Durelin's partner the hunter may have been. The more innocents that we can figure on, the better our chances of catching a wolf will be.

I later explore these two points. They're no-brainers though, hardly evidence of mutual support.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I was coming to some of the same conclusions as TGWBS even as he posted them. I don't think there can be a lot of doubt...

She supports my evidence again, piggybacking off it, if you will. Not vice versa.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks... one more point I left off. TGWBS found it necessary to point out in his very first post that he was "obviously innocent." Hmm...

She accuses me. Hardly the perfect person to piggyback off.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Also interesting is that both Morm and Kath went onto TGWBS's "probably innocent" list (bottom Page 2).
I'd like to hear from TGWBS... I'm becoming ever more convinced that he may be a wolf

More accusations of me. Perfect person to associate myself with.

Originally Posted by Me

So is everybody, I presume. What is clear is that we cannot make a single mistake from now to the end, or all is lost.

The only "theory" of Firefoot's I piggyback off, if such it can be called. A one line accusation is hardly a theory, and little to piggyback off.


There we go. Done. A one line accusation from Firefoot which I immediately agree with due to, as I later state, independant reasons. Firefoot's accusation hardly deserves the word theory. A non-existant theory cannot be piggybacked off.
Furthermore, I note that you immediately voiced concern about me piggybacking off Firefoot - despite the fact that it was an isolated moment when I agreed with her, and no theorising was present.

Originally Posted by Kath

Now, as to me. Firefoot says she wants to vote for me and has so far been supported by TGWBS. This worries me as I have been having concerns about TGWBS all day. Firefoot's post ealier (or was it yesterday?) about him possibly playing a double bluff gave me pause for thought. And now today he is going along with her ideas with no reasoning off his own. This strikes me as odd. Perhaps he is trying to put her off his trail? Firefoot seems to me trustworthy, maybe he feels that associating with her will keep suspicion away from him.

Indeed. No reasoning of my own. You make it sound as if Firefoot had extensive reasoning as opposed to one line of accusation.

And so, Kath, you give yourself away. You accuse me of piggybacking on the non-existant theories of others. But you voiced this suspicion yesterday, and that shall beyour undoing. Plainly, you killed Firefoot so as to be able to cast suspicion upon me and accuse me, as you have done above, for no reason whatsoever, hoping that others will not look back and realise the lack of evidence behind it.

To me, you have shown plainly that you are a wolf. I would vote right now, but I would be accused of being rash, and I would very much like to see the quiet villagers today.

I will definitely be voting Kath.

[Gil-Galad]

though i'm not one of lengthy posts, though if you read the notice board it shall explain my AWOL, for now the only accusation is me not being here, so my post on the notice board should sum it up for that...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Does anybody else think that we should just hedge our bets and try to kill them both? It makes me wish multiple lynchings weren't impossible (if I remember correctly, they are, right?).

[Holbytlass]

my own random thoughts

definite innocent: Me (Holby) Feanor

who the heck knows?:Nilp Oro Gil(TTM)
Gil2 has role (hunter, mytho or wolf, or why be reincarnated)

TGWBS: first thought to be seer, than thought to be hunter but accused Duerlin too many times

Kath: as far as actions, seems to be the mytho, against Morm then seems to defend Morm after day 2

I think it is too close of a game for 2 wolves to be brashing against each other so both (Kath and TGWBS) aren't wolves, let's not lynch both even if we could, Fea.

leaning towards Kath of the two.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Valid point, Holby. I was just rolling my eyes at the bickering. It reminds me of myself, back in my young and impetuous days. Since we can't kill two people (nor should we), I've got to choose now (since I won't be back before day's end).

I see no reason to vote for Oro, Holby, or Nilp, since I "trust" them. That's not to say it's real trust, since that's not something one should do in these situations, but I don't think we should be worried about them at the moment. We've got bigger fish to fry.

Gil... Kath... TGWBS.

I have to choose one, and I don't really want to, because I don't know who to pick.

So many people seem certain that Kath is the mytho... but what if we're wrong? I'm afraid to chance it, as our seer never confirmed it, and the "proof" is just as likely a series of twisted coincidences.

I've been nervous about TGWBS since Firefoot's call last night. After her subsequent death, my suspicion doubled.

Gil... Holby's point about keeping somebody totally innocent (ie: useless except as a number) is bothering me. A lot.

Since there are three wolves, and these are my only three suspicions... I have a feeling that voting for any one of them is a positive thing. I know that most of you are thinking Kath right now... but I really think that TGWBS is the one we should kill. Just to disprove his "I'm innocent"s like we did with Mormegil. You can't tell me that you weren't ecstatic to prove him wrong. Therefore, with great remorse that it should be so soon, and great remorse should I be wrong...

++TGWBS

I'll see you guys some time tomorrow. TGWBS... many apologies if I'm wrong.