The return of Sauron - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

07-12-2005, 10:55 AM

Is there anybody out there crazy enough to write a sequel with the return of a old nemesis, like Morgoth? I'm sure everybody would like to see this happen. But what role Hobbits would play it such a sequel would be questionable, as Morgoth is a hulking god-like foe that would not be nearly as easily defeated as Sauron. All the same, I'd like to see it happen. Even Tolkein suggested that the original book was 'too short'.

narfforc · 07-12-2005, 11:06 AM

I am afraid my friend there will be no sequel, unless it is is written by someone with the name of Tolkien, maybe a family member in years to come. While Christopher lives I cannot see that happening, they guard their legacy with an obsession. If the Prof had not sold the film rights a long time ago, there would have been no films. Do not hanker for more until you know all that is already written, and there are few people that can say they do. By what you have written, there is a lot to read, go and wander the hidden corners of Middle-Earth, and enjoy yourself. Continue to ask the questions, so we all can learn more.

09-08-2005, 07:21 PM

I think that the ending of the original ROTK book should be made into a movie. The hobits were thought to be snobby but after saving the shire from saruman they are heros

Elladan and Elrohir · 09-11-2005, 10:20 PM

I'm afraid I disagree with those who say the return of the Ithryn Luin would make a worthy sequel to LOTR. It leaves out an essential element of Tolkien's stories: The Quest. With LOTR you have the Quest of the Ring, with Silmarillion the Quest of the Silmarils, with The Hobbit the Quest of Erebor, but with Blue Wizards Attack Gondor, what quest can be conjured up?

Sure, it might make an interesting annal in the account of the Fourth Age, but beyond that, I don't see much story possibility. That's just me, though.

A year or so ago I tried to write an LOTR sequel called "The Stone of Valinor." It featured three descendants of Sam, Merry and Pippin, summoned to a Council of Elessar (the Second) at Minas Tirith. Another Balrog, together with the return of Ungoliant (since Silmarillion never explicitly says she died), were to be the nemesis. It was an interesting beginning, but never got farther than that, as I'm sure you can imagine.

Someday I plan on writing an account of the Fourth Age, Silmarillion style, that concludes with the return of Morgoth and the Dagor Dagorath. Fun stuff.

AragornII · 09-12-2005, 05:06 PM

What if somebody stole some thing from Harry Potter and have Sauron do one of those possessing things? He could possess someone who is among the evil still in ME and then work through that person. It could one of the Blue Wizards and then they discover the secret of the Rings of Power and make like three more

. Then there would still be that Quest element, only they would have to get the Rings before they destroyed them. Or maybe the good guys could find the Rings' secret too and make some of their own.

Whew, enough brainstorming for now.

11-23-2005, 02:52 PM

Although the evil power & spirit of Sauron & the Nazgul was destroyed when the One Ring was no more, is there anything to suggest that these guys can return in their original form, as in before Sauron turned to evil ways & ensared the nine men doomed to die?

A novel could follow in which Sauron returns as a good guy, but in seceret again plots the mastery of ME for his own, with the nine men, formerly the Nazgul, working as his agents? Sounds like re-telling the LOTR all over again, but not quite.

Sauron would not have to openly reveal himself as Sauron until he has his secret plan in motion. I would have thought that this time his army would have to consist mainly of evil men, as there would be no Ring, not many orcs etc (or trolls?).

mormegil · 11-23-2005, 03:04 PM

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For into the midst of all these policies comes the Ring of Power, the foundation of Barad-dur, and the hope of Sauron. Concerning this thing, my lords, you now all know enough for the understanding of our plight, and of Sauron's. If he regains it, your valour is vain, and his victory will be swift or complete: so complete that none can foresee the end of it while this world lasts. If it is destroyed, then he will fall: and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of his strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed. Other evils there are that may come; for Sauron is himself but a servant or emissary

3 LOTR V, 9 The Last Debate. In The War of the Ring - The Houses of Healing

This more or less answers that Sauron will never take shape again.

09-08-2005, 07:21 PM	#3
jordainian Guest Posts: n/a	a sequel? I think that the ending of the original ROTK book should be made into a movie. The hobits were thought to be snobby but after saving the shire from saruman they are heros

09-11-2005, 10:20 PM	#4
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	I'm afraid I disagree with those who say the return of the Ithryn Luin would make a worthy sequel to LOTR. It leaves out an essential element of Tolkien's stories: The Quest. With LOTR you have the Quest of the Ring, with Silmarillion the Quest of the Silmarils, with The Hobbit the Quest of Erebor, but with Blue Wizards Attack Gondor, what quest can be conjured up? Sure, it might make an interesting annal in the account of the Fourth Age, but beyond that, I don't see much story possibility. That's just me, though. A year or so ago I tried to write an LOTR sequel called "The Stone of Valinor." It featured three descendants of Sam, Merry and Pippin, summoned to a Council of Elessar (the Second) at Minas Tirith. Another Balrog, together with the return of Ungoliant (since Silmarillion never explicitly says she died), were to be the nemesis. It was an interesting beginning, but never got farther than that, as I'm sure you can imagine. Someday I plan on writing an account of the Fourth Age, Silmarillion style, that concludes with the return of Morgoth and the Dagor Dagorath. Fun stuff. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

09-12-2005, 05:06 PM	#5
AragornII Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Concluding negotiations Posts: 103	What if somebody stole some thing from Harry Potter and have Sauron do one of those possessing things? He could possess someone who is among the evil still in ME and then work through that person. It could one of the Blue Wizards and then they discover the secret of the Rings of Power and make like three more . Then there would still be that Quest element, only they would have to get the Rings before they destroyed them. Or maybe the good guys could find the Rings' secret too and make some of their own. Whew, enough brainstorming for now. __________________ From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken; The crownless again shall be king.

11-23-2005, 02:52 PM	#6
Mansun Guest Posts: n/a	The return of Sauron and the Nazgul as men Although the evil power & spirit of Sauron & the Nazgul was destroyed when the One Ring was no more, is there anything to suggest that these guys can return in their original form, as in before Sauron turned to evil ways & ensared the nine men doomed to die? A novel could follow in which Sauron returns as a good guy, but in seceret again plots the mastery of ME for his own, with the nine men, formerly the Nazgul, working as his agents? Sounds like re-telling the LOTR all over again, but not quite. Sauron would not have to openly reveal himself as Sauron until he has his secret plan in motion. I would have thought that this time his army would have to consist mainly of evil men, as there would be no Ring, not many orcs etc (or trolls?). Last edited by Mansun; 11-23-2005 at 02:55 PM.

07-12-2005, 10:55 AM	#1
Mansun Guest Posts: n/a	Is there anybody out there crazy enough to write a sequel with the return of a old nemesis, like Morgoth? I'm sure everybody would like to see this happen. But what role Hobbits would play it such a sequel would be questionable, as Morgoth is a hulking god-like foe that would not be nearly as easily defeated as Sauron. All the same, I'd like to see it happen. Even Tolkein suggested that the original book was 'too short'.

07-12-2005, 11:06 AM	#2
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	I am afraid my friend there will be no sequel, unless it is is written by someone with the name of Tolkien, maybe a family member in years to come. While Christopher lives I cannot see that happening, they guard their legacy with an obsession. If the Prof had not sold the film rights a long time ago, there would have been no films. Do not hanker for more until you know all that is already written, and there are few people that can say they do. By what you have written, there is a lot to read, go and wander the hidden corners of Middle-Earth, and enjoy yourself. Continue to ask the questions, so we all can learn more.