The PJ Appreciation Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

alatar · 07-14-2005, 11:55 AM

The comments and criticisms are typically specific, as are the anti-PJ threads. If one looked at this data, one may note that it is these few scenes and changes that have irked some, and not the entire movie (one in three).

My hope is that someone sees the money that can be made (1) in Middle Earth and (2) doing something not blessed by the Hollywood mindset, and runs with that.

Someone might feel, in a decade or two, that we need to revisit the LOTR and make yet another set of films (if that would even be the media then) and we then would have something new to enjoy and to carp about.

As my real-world example, look at the Dune movies (first as a movie, then and a made-for-TV-movie). The second production was in answer to many of the critizisms of the first (but then that spun its own madness - "they did A in the original movie, and so we are NOT doing A no matter how much sense it makes or how much not A doesn't!")

Elendhel · 07-15-2005, 06:43 PM

The amount of work PJ put into the three films, and the sheer commitment involved is admirable. He did an excellent job of creating a fantastic movie experience. It was risky and he could have upset so many fans, but he pulled it off in spectacular fashion.

I feel he deviated from the source material only as much as he had to, to create something that appealed to ordinary movie-goers. And he came up with something that no only pleases the fans, but delights this particular fan.

They are without doubt, fantastic films. PJ deserves a hell of a lot of credit for them. I could sing his praises until the cows came home for giving me a cinematic experience I'll never forget.

Ar-Pharazon · 07-22-2005, 12:49 AM

To Tolkien the Lord of the Rings was not fit for dramatization, there was just too much there to be put in a movie or even a trilogy. Many people believed that since the books have been around for half a century before someone took a strong stab at it.

PJ thought otherwise and after 8 years and $300,000,000 dollars he came up with his film adaptation. Even then it was not as good as the books, it opened up Middle Earth to people like me who are more atuned to visual stimuli then narrative. It made a fan out of me.

We gripe about details, and missing characters, and plot rearrangments, and missing chapters, but in the end we generally agree that this was the closest anyone has gotten. I feel sorry for the poor person that tries to do this again in like 30 years and top it.

Excerpt from ROTK-EE
"We now have two paths into middle earth. One way as written by Tolkien, and one way as written by Tolkien and interpetted by Jackson."

Dimturiel · 07-22-2005, 12:07 PM

The films indeed are great and when I watch them I cannot help but feel admiration towards those that made them, and thank them because they deserve thanks.There are a lot of scenes that still move me deeply, such as the ride of the Rohirrim, wHich is my favourite. But exactly those scenes make me sure that they could have done much better if they had not changed so many things for the sake of viewers that can never understand whatLOTR really means. Although now I forgive many of these things, there are some that I cannot. For example the scene where Aragorn attaks the Mouth of Sauron. My respect for Aragorn-wich, I must admit, is very deep-does not alow me to forgive it. I think that, indeed, LOTR was a good movie, and that no Tolkien fan cannot help feeling proud of it for the tiumphs that it had, but neither can he overlook the things that have been so badly altered.

Bêthberry · 07-22-2005, 02:08 PM

I really cannot imagine how else one would get a LotR bookmark with a Ring--everyone wants to be a Ringbearer!--mugs with various mugs on them, or be able to order Moriaburgers or Orcs-in-a-blanket.

Durelin · 07-22-2005, 04:24 PM

Yep, PJ deserves a cookie.

I will thank him eternally simply for not making Arwen a member of the Fellowship.

And it's always wonderful to see things on film (as long as the film is well done, which I think we could easily say LotR was), particularly for people like me, who, though we can envision things, aren't the most visual people. Especially when it comes to geography....

Orofaniel · 07-22-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durelin

Yep, PJ deserves a cookie.

More than a cookie, if you ask me....An Oero....

And perhaps a banansplit too. Yeah, sounds more like it.

07-14-2005, 11:55 AM	#1
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	The comments and criticisms are typically specific, as are the anti-PJ threads. If one looked at this data, one may note that it is these few scenes and changes that have irked some, and not the entire movie (one in three). My hope is that someone sees the money that can be made (1) in Middle Earth and (2) doing something not blessed by the Hollywood mindset, and runs with that. Someone might feel, in a decade or two, that we need to revisit the LOTR and make yet another set of films (if that would even be the media then) and we then would have something new to enjoy and to carp about. As my real-world example, look at the Dune movies (first as a movie, then and a made-for-TV-movie). The second production was in answer to many of the critizisms of the first (but then that spun its own madness - "they did A in the original movie, and so we are NOT doing A no matter how much sense it makes or how much not A doesn't!") __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

07-15-2005, 06:43 PM	#2
Elendhel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 19	The amount of work PJ put into the three films, and the sheer commitment involved is admirable. He did an excellent job of creating a fantastic movie experience. It was risky and he could have upset so many fans, but he pulled it off in spectacular fashion. I feel he deviated from the source material only as much as he had to, to create something that appealed to ordinary movie-goers. And he came up with something that no only pleases the fans, but delights this particular fan. They are without doubt, fantastic films. PJ deserves a hell of a lot of credit for them. I could sing his praises until the cows came home for giving me a cinematic experience I'll never forget. __________________ The Realm Of Elendhel My LOTR Myspace

07-22-2005, 12:49 AM	#3
Ar-Pharazon Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 15	To Tolkien the Lord of the Rings was not fit for dramatization, there was just too much there to be put in a movie or even a trilogy. Many people believed that since the books have been around for half a century before someone took a strong stab at it. PJ thought otherwise and after 8 years and $300,000,000 dollars he came up with his film adaptation. Even then it was not as good as the books, it opened up Middle Earth to people like me who are more atuned to visual stimuli then narrative. It made a fan out of me. We gripe about details, and missing characters, and plot rearrangments, and missing chapters, but in the end we generally agree that this was the closest anyone has gotten. I feel sorry for the poor person that tries to do this again in like 30 years and top it. Excerpt from ROTK-EE "We now have two paths into middle earth. One way as written by Tolkien, and one way as written by Tolkien and interpetted by Jackson." __________________ Do I seem fair but feel foul or do I seem foul but feel fair? Ah the questions of life.

07-22-2005, 12:07 PM	#4
Dimturiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2005 Location: the road less travelled by Posts: 910	The films indeed are great and when I watch them I cannot help but feel admiration towards those that made them, and thank them because they deserve thanks.There are a lot of scenes that still move me deeply, such as the ride of the Rohirrim, wHich is my favourite. But exactly those scenes make me sure that they could have done much better if they had not changed so many things for the sake of viewers that can never understand whatLOTR really means. Although now I forgive many of these things, there are some that I cannot. For example the scene where Aragorn attaks the Mouth of Sauron. My respect for Aragorn-wich, I must admit, is very deep-does not alow me to forgive it. I think that, indeed, LOTR was a good movie, and that no Tolkien fan cannot help feeling proud of it for the tiumphs that it had, but neither can he overlook the things that have been so badly altered. __________________ Is this the end? No more the hunt, the journey and the goal? That terrifies me most: no more the goal! -Ray Bradbury, Leviathan '99

07-22-2005, 02:08 PM	#5
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	I really cannot imagine how else one would get a LotR bookmark with a Ring--everyone wants to be a Ringbearer!--mugs with various mugs on them, or be able to order Moriaburgers or Orcs-in-a-blanket.

07-22-2005, 04:24 PM	#6
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Yep, PJ deserves a cookie. I will thank him eternally simply for not making Arwen a member of the Fellowship. And it's always wonderful to see things on film (as long as the film is well done, which I think we could easily say LotR was), particularly for people like me, who, though we can envision things, aren't the most visual people. Especially when it comes to geography....