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the guy who be short · 07-20-2005, 11:25 AM

Aiya, nissi ar vendi... ar Lúmen.
Hail, women and maidens... and Lúmen.

Two quick notes. One is that Kath and I have got lesson 5 done (Woo!) so we're now at the stage where we can actually compose sentences. More or less a post to say "Go us!" than anything else.

Also, due to excessive amounts of vocab to learn, I've just created a document of all the vocabulary and printed it off to use at my pleasure. Together with the page of lesson summaries, I can more or less revise properly when not at a computer, which is very handy.

Lhunardawen · 07-21-2005, 12:16 AM

Good idea, tgwbs. I wonder if we'll get to memorize all those words.

Anyways, have you noticed that most of us are joining Werewolf VII? Lhuna - spawn

, tgwbs - Kath, Fea - Enca, Kitanna - Oromin...will we get any studying done at all? Maybe we could require at least one Quenya word in each post throughout the game.

Kath · 07-21-2005, 01:54 PM

Good plan Lhuna! Just randomly or as part of an actual sentence?

Oh and whoever said they were having trouble with H's I have a quick version that might help.

If the 'h' is at the front of the word it is said like the 'h' at the front of 'high'.

If it's in the middle and before 't' it is said like the sound at the end of 'loch'.

If it's in the middle and after 'i' or 'e' it is said like the german word 'ich'.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-21-2005, 03:12 PM

My problem, Kath, is that much like the pronunciation difference between the names "Aaron" and "Erin", my dialect doesn't allow for differences in "h"s as you name them.

Kath · 07-21-2005, 03:31 PM

Ok well for the after i or e one there is another option but it's a little more confusing. Think of the word you and then say it out loud. Now do it again but try to put an air breath with an h sound in front of it stop the word after the first sound you make. That is the sound you are aiming for.

Lhunardawen · 07-21-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

Good plan Lhuna! Just randomly or as part of an actual sentence?

Of course the word would have to be relevant.

Like: "(insert name here), if you're not a werewolf, then we're all a bunch of roccor" or something like that.

(That was not exactly the best example, was it?

)

But if everyone agrees to the rule, how can we make sure that we all follow it?

the guy who be short · 07-22-2005, 03:49 AM

Fea ~ an h at the front of the word would be pronounced normally, unless you have a really weird accent (yes, I know you have no accent, but still...)

The 'h' sound called the ach-Laut or the 'h' in 'loch' is pronounced as a hard 'ch.' Imagine Eomer saying it in his Scottish accent.

It's also common in German.

The 'h' sound in 'ich' called the ich-Laut doesn't occur in English. It's hard to explain, it took my German teacher quite a while to explain it to us, but it's sort of... more hissy than the other 'ch' sound. *Finishes lamely*

I learnt all this but never memorised where to use each one.

07-21-2005, 12:16 AM	#2
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Good idea, tgwbs. I wonder if we'll get to memorize all those words. Anyways, have you noticed that most of us are joining Werewolf VII? Lhuna - spawn , tgwbs - Kath, Fea - Enca, Kitanna - Oromin...will we get any studying done at all? Maybe we could require at least one Quenya word in each post throughout the game. Last edited by Lhunardawen; 07-21-2005 at 12:24 AM.

07-21-2005, 01:54 PM	#3
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Good plan Lhuna! Just randomly or as part of an actual sentence? Oh and whoever said they were having trouble with H's I have a quick version that might help. If the 'h' is at the front of the word it is said like the 'h' at the front of 'high'. If it's in the middle and before 't' it is said like the sound at the end of 'loch'. If it's in the middle and after 'i' or 'e' it is said like the german word 'ich'. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-21-2005, 03:12 PM	#4
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	My problem, Kath, is that much like the pronunciation difference between the names "Aaron" and "Erin", my dialect doesn't allow for differences in "h"s as you name them. __________________ peace

07-21-2005, 03:31 PM	#5
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Ok well for the after i or e one there is another option but it's a little more confusing. Think of the word you and then say it out loud. Now do it again but try to put an air breath with an h sound in front of it stop the word after the first sound you make. That is the sound you are aiming for. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-22-2005, 03:49 AM	#7
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	The 'h's Fea ~ an h at the front of the word would be pronounced normally, unless you have a really weird accent (yes, I know you have no accent, but still...) The 'h' sound called the ach-Laut or the 'h' in 'loch' is pronounced as a hard 'ch.' Imagine Eomer saying it in his Scottish accent. It's also common in German. The 'h' sound in 'ich' called the ich-Laut doesn't occur in English. It's hard to explain, it took my German teacher quite a while to explain it to us, but it's sort of... more hissy than the other 'ch' sound. Finishes lamely I learnt all this but never memorised where to use each one.

07-20-2005, 11:25 AM	#1
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Aiya, nissi ar vendi... ar Lúmen. Hail, women and maidens... and Lúmen. Two quick notes. One is that Kath and I have got lesson 5 done (Woo!) so we're now at the stage where we can actually compose sentences. More or less a post to say "Go us!" than anything else. Also, due to excessive amounts of vocab to learn, I've just created a document of all the vocabulary and printed it off to use at my pleasure. Together with the page of lesson summaries, I can more or less revise properly when not at a computer, which is very handy.