Tol-in-Gaurhoth VII (The Saga goes ever on and on) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 07-28-2005, 08:31 AM

Just a side note: Oromin has posted twice and we have many other silent residents in our Village, too. It would be really nice to hear some of their thoughts before I cast my vote.

wilwarin538 · 07-28-2005, 08:40 AM

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Durelin--I feel most confident that she is a wolf. In post 12, 15, and 93 (bottom line on 93) she attempts to distance herself from wolves. A bit too obvious if you ask me. In post 78 she wants the gifted to essentially expose themselves but gives up when no interest is shown. Post 84 basically says she'll vote for me because of a knee-jerk reaction and in post 93 she tries to quell that idea and say I'm a random pick. I strongly believe her to be a wolf.

I suppose that makes sense. I might possibly vote for Durelin. I'll need to hear more before I can be really sure about anyone.

mormegil · 07-28-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dancing spawn of ungoliant

Just a side note: Oromin has posted twice and we have many other silent residents in our Village, too. It would be really nice to hear some of their thoughts before I cast my vote.

I agree that I would like to hear from Oromin, Lhuna and Oddwen more. Oddwen has only posted 4 times I believe and I hate to formulate death plans based solely on that.

However I have decided to vote.

++Durelin

While I cannot gaurantee my certainty, I do feel fairly confident that she's a wolf. If that is proven to be true it should be well known that I am innocent. If that's the case I would ask the seer to dream of Encai if you haven't already. Knowing TGWBS and Lhuna's identity would make things less confusing as well. However if I am proven innocent then I would ask that the Guardian consider protecting me tonight. I may be wrong in my vote, however I truly don't believe that I am.

LMP I agree with TORE that it's not bandwagonning if you truly believe the person to be guilty.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-28-2005, 08:51 AM

It looks like Durelin will die today. Fair enough, there are other villagers I'd rather keep alive because I am more certain of their innocence. Estel, for example, seems highly likely to be innocent. However, there are others I'd rather see go before Durelin.

I think I will be voting for Oddwen again, though it seems like I have no support for this plan. She doesn't seem right at all to me. But I can afford to hold my vote for just now.

(Morm, you are right about access to the discussion. I have the luxury of being able to speak pretty much whenever I want to!

)

Durelin · 07-28-2005, 08:57 AM

Oh dear...no wonder I didn't get a good sleep during my nap...

I've told you repeatedly who I am in my posts. You just have yet to notice.

I can only say that I am not a wolf...and to start at the beginning.

I've spelled it out for you several times....

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Post 84 basically says she'll vote for me because of a knee-jerk reaction and in post 93 she tries to quell that idea and say I'm a random pick. I strongly believe her to be a wolf.

Is that what I did? Wow, reading a lot into that, aren't you, Morm? I had no idea who to vote for...thus I picked you because you picked on me.

And, my absences are due to where I live...which is unfortunate. I'm here at the start of discussion, when there's no way to pinpoint if anyone's *suspicious*...and so I wait until I return after my sleep (one needs there sleep to think straight, too...), and then I look. Besides, what's wrong with not pointing at people and saying they're guilty when it's only Day 2? I'm horribly afraid of lynching yet another innocent person. It'll do too much harm to our numbers.

I guess I have been drawing attention to myself. Wasn't what I meant to do, but...what's done is done.

But your focus on me is a waste of time, I'm afraid. You're going to bring the innocent numbers down even more by lynching me. You just have to trust me.

mormegil · 07-28-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Durelin

Oh dear...no wonder I didn't get a good sleep during my nap...

I've told you repeatedly who I am in my posts. You just have yet to notice.

I can only say that I am not a wolf...and to start at the beginning.

I've spelled it out for you several times....

A claim and either seership or the guardian. A bold move. It could either be a werewolf attempting to not get us to vote for her for a gifted saying you are idiots wake up and don't vote for me. I'm truthfully a bit concerned about this now. My vote is cast but I would like others to evaluate. Gifted villagers, at times, have a tendency to act strangely suspicious. I hope this is not the case.

Oddwen · 07-28-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Eom

Another interesting thing about Kitanna is that she is the only villager so far (I think) who seems to be listening to me about Oddwen. Does everyone else think I'm crazy? Hopefully I can get her and some others to take action in this direction tomorrow.

Kitanna doesn't sit well with me. I think you are most likely innocent, Eomer, misguided though you be. But she who follows in your footsteps ain't no well-wisher to this village, and unless something changes within the next hour or so I'll probably be voting for her.

But are you two in cahoots? Is she your follower because of the allure of danger and fur and death? Is Kitanna the cobbler? Or is Kitanna a wolf following the lead of the cobbler and going to claim innocence of that later?!? Dun dun dunnnn!

Don't vote for me, you'll be sorry and it'll do no good.

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Originally Posted by Durelin

Oddwen seems to be getting a lot of attention, too.

It's lonely here at the top.

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Originally Posted by Durelin

And concerning my suggestion for the Seer and Guardian plan thing... It is risky, giving any hints as to who the gifted villagers are, but, in the end, it saves lives.

The bad thing about this plan is the Werewolves are privy to it too. We need a proven innocent to put forth suggestions, because any others are not tried and could be poison to the mix. Yeah, that's been said before, hasn't it?
So we really can't act on that until one of our Sherriffs has passed on. Should one of them sacrifice themselves for the good of the Village? They're almost better to us when one is dead. (Ooh, another heartless comment...write that one down, Kitanna

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About the only thing a Gifted can do if they're going to be lynched is to try to convince the voters of their status, but even then a Wolf could try to pull that off.

Of the three current suspiciousoids, (Kitanna, Durelin and I), I believe that

++KITANNA

is a wolf.

*sigh* Seems the more I talk in these events, the more suspicion I garner. Not everyone has unrestricted access to...um...the village meeting place. I'm not even supposed to be here right now.
Lotsa cross-posts.

Oddwen · 07-28-2005, 10:03 AM

*sob* Will you force me to reveal myself?

the guy who be short · 07-28-2005, 09:11 AM

If I am not told which part of my behaviour falls under the category of "erratic," what's the point of mentioning it? Other than possibly making me suspect you.

Anywho, quickly popping in. Durelin and Wilwarin are innocent, as is Eomer most likely. I'm not yet sure of any wolves, but I feel I'm closing in on them.

I would like to direct attention to Kath. She says she is suspicious of me, starting the ball rolling so to speak, yet doesn't vote (for whatever reason).

I'll also need to inspect others, of course, but I have a couple of hours to do so.

Durelin · 07-28-2005, 09:15 AM

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Gifted villagers, at times, have a tendency to act strangely suspicious.

I must say I wouldn't be as loud if I wasn't innocent...I'd be trying to keep under the radar as much as possible. Or at least, a little more quiet than I have been.

Kitanna · 07-28-2005, 09:23 AM

It looks like TGWBS and Durelin are getting the most attention. And I find it hard for me to vote for either. Though I feel they might be wolves, a bigger part of me is saying they are gifted and should be spared. If I were more certain about them I might cast my vote, but I can't do that when I feel one may be the seer or a shiriff or something.

Earlier I mentioned Oddwen, Elf-Warrior, and lmp as suspects.
I'm pretty sure lmp is innocent. I keep flip-flopping on Elf-Warrior.
So I think I will cast my vote for Oddwen.

Yesterday I did not think much of her, but then as I went back today I found my suspicions rising. It wasn't so much that she voted for TGWBS, but that two others followed her. Which is also why I'm watching Elf-Warrior closer.

++ Oddwen

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-28-2005, 09:32 AM

Ah! There's Kitanna, thinking along the same lines as me, I see. Why do I predict a new style of lynch mob tomorrow.

If I ever find out that Durelin is a wolf then I will be kicking myself very hard, but I just have a feeling that she's not one of the furry beasts, and like Morm mentioned, she is even boldly suggesting that she is a gifted villager. In that case, she won't last very long anyway!

Let me cause some trouble and get the village to really think about what they're doing.

++ODDWEN

Take it from here, me cherubs.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-28-2005, 09:20 AM

Ok, I've re-read the thread. Unless there's a dramatic swing, Durelin will die today. She has votes and it looks like there will be more coming. Plus, there is no real concensus as to who else is a likely wolf.

Like I say I still think Durelin's a difficult pick. My heart tells me that she's a bit of a bumbling innocent who has been made a scapegoat after some pretty tame posts. Regardless, there are other villagers who I deem more likely to be innocent, thus I'm not too upset about trying Durelin. That Seer comment is still making me think.

One villager I've not really spoken about yet is Kitanna. She is probably somewhere in the middle of my list. She is attracting suspicion because she voted for Nilp despite believing that he was probably innocent. I can see why some (notably littlemanpoet) are concerned about this. She's probably about level with Durelin in my book. I don't want to vote for either.

Another interesting thing about Kitanna is that she is the only villager so far (I think) who seems to be listening to me about Oddwen. Does everyone else think I'm crazy? Hopefully I can get her and some others to take action in this direction tomorrow.

I really think it is worthwhile tapping into the group of people who voted for tgwbs on DAY 1. I'm sure there is a wolf in among them. Oddwen is still my first pick.

Durelin · 07-28-2005, 09:32 AM

I think Spawn's been jumping at everyone else's words of me a bit too much. It was very strange the first time she voted for me, as she had not previously mentioned me at all. Still, that was a Day 1 vote, and thus...well, random.

And concerning my suggestion for the Seer and Guardian plan thing... It is risky, giving any hints as to who the gifted villagers are, but, in the end, it saves lives. Rather than us blindly lynching random people, we're taking a more cautious approach that can tell us more about who might be a wolf and who is probably innocent. It lowers the likelyhood of us lynching an innocent person, especially as the Days go by and we have more to go on. And thus, even if the wolves figure out who is a gifted villager...rather than both an innocent and even a giften villager getting lynched and getting killed by the wolves, there is only one innocent life taken. For the latter is a garuntee, whether they're gifted or not.

It's not at all fool proof, but it's something. And that's what I think we need.

Oddwen seems to be getting a lot of attention, too. Her lack of posting, her voting habits, and what others have pointed out about her makes me think. She could be like me, pinpointed for blame that she doesn't share, but... I don't like people who hide under the radar just enough to get by...and she seems to be doing that, to me at least. Others do as well, but I can't help but agree with Eomer and Kitanna, or at least with much of what they say.

EDIT: I'm afraid I must be off very shortly for a while, and so I will say this:

I think...

Eomer is the Seer.
Oddwen, Dancing Spawn, and Wilwa are the wolves.
Morm might be the Guardian...I don't know.
Lhuna might be the cobbler.

And so, I will vote ++Oddwen.

I hope this proves true...

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 07-28-2005, 09:55 AM

Here are the votes thus far:

Durelin
Elf-warrior
Lhuna
morm

Oddwen
Kitanna
Eomer
Durelin

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Originally Posted by Durelin

It was very strange the first time she voted for me, as she had not previously mentioned me at all. Still, that was a Day 1 vote, and thus...well, random.

Do you want me to explane that vote or would you like to believe that it was completely random? I'm just asking because I might vote for you again today.

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Originally Posted by Eomer

Another interesting thing about Kitanna is that she is the only villager so far (I think) who seems to be listening to me about Oddwen. Does everyone else think I'm crazy? Hopefully I can get her and some others to take action in this direction tomorrow.

Very well, I'll go back and re-read Oddwen's posts though I must say that I'm probably voting for Durelin or Kitanna.

mormegil · 07-28-2005, 09:57 AM

Eomer how you feel about Durelin is how I feel about Oddwen. I find her suspicous but not enough to want to vote for her. I am glad that she is garnering suspicion though. Kitanna sits about where Oddwen does in my book.

littlemanpoet · 07-28-2005, 10:05 AM

I don't have much time to explain my vote, but I'll try.

Durelin doesn't seem so wolfish to me as Guy & Kitanna.

I suspect Eomer of innocence and suspecting me in good faith. I'm not going to try to prove to him or Estel my innocence, but the possibility that at least one of the other two who voted for Guy as wolves is worth consideration ... unless Guy is a wolf.

I'm getting a little irked at comments like "it looks like {fill in the blank} is going die today. There have hardly been any votes cast. What is the point of saying such things? It seems like a kind of persuasion by suggestion I would expect from a werewolf. Eomer is moving from my neutral, to my suspect list. And Eomer keeps on saying he's not defending Guy while defending Guy. Anybody noticed that?

Please, friends, let's put a moratorium on any more votes for Durelin; I'm afraid we may be making a huge mistake if we lynch her....

++ Oddwen

This seems terribly inconsistent, I realize, but I've been reading posts and changing my mind as I've proceeded. What's done is done.

07-28-2005, 08:31 AM	#1
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	Just a side note: Oromin has posted twice and we have many other silent residents in our Village, too. It would be really nice to hear some of their thoughts before I cast my vote. __________________ Fenris Wolf

07-28-2005, 08:51 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It looks like Durelin will die today. Fair enough, there are other villagers I'd rather keep alive because I am more certain of their innocence. Estel, for example, seems highly likely to be innocent. However, there are others I'd rather see go before Durelin. I think I will be voting for Oddwen again, though it seems like I have no support for this plan. She doesn't seem right at all to me. But I can afford to hold my vote for just now. (Morm, you are right about access to the discussion. I have the luxury of being able to speak pretty much whenever I want to! ) __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-28-2005, 10:03 AM	#8
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,145	sob Will you force me to reveal myself? __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

07-28-2005, 09:11 AM	#9
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Quickly popping in If I am not told which part of my behaviour falls under the category of "erratic," what's the point of mentioning it? Other than possibly making me suspect you. Anywho, quickly popping in. Durelin and Wilwarin are innocent, as is Eomer most likely. I'm not yet sure of any wolves, but I feel I'm closing in on them. I would like to direct attention to Kath. She says she is suspicious of me, starting the ball rolling so to speak, yet doesn't vote (for whatever reason). I'll also need to inspect others, of course, but I have a couple of hours to do so.

07-28-2005, 09:23 AM	#11
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	It looks like TGWBS and Durelin are getting the most attention. And I find it hard for me to vote for either. Though I feel they might be wolves, a bigger part of me is saying they are gifted and should be spared. If I were more certain about them I might cast my vote, but I can't do that when I feel one may be the seer or a shiriff or something. Earlier I mentioned Oddwen, Elf-Warrior, and lmp as suspects. I'm pretty sure lmp is innocent. I keep flip-flopping on Elf-Warrior. So I think I will cast my vote for Oddwen. Yesterday I did not think much of her, but then as I went back today I found my suspicions rising. It wasn't so much that she voted for TGWBS, but that two others followed her. Which is also why I'm watching Elf-Warrior closer. ++ Oddwen __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

07-28-2005, 09:32 AM	#12
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Ah! There's Kitanna, thinking along the same lines as me, I see. Why do I predict a new style of lynch mob tomorrow. If I ever find out that Durelin is a wolf then I will be kicking myself very hard, but I just have a feeling that she's not one of the furry beasts, and like Morm mentioned, she is even boldly suggesting that she is a gifted villager. In that case, she won't last very long anyway! Let me cause some trouble and get the village to really think about what they're doing. ++ODDWEN Take it from here, me cherubs. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-28-2005, 09:20 AM	#13
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Ok, I've re-read the thread. Unless there's a dramatic swing, Durelin will die today. She has votes and it looks like there will be more coming. Plus, there is no real concensus as to who else is a likely wolf. Like I say I still think Durelin's a difficult pick. My heart tells me that she's a bit of a bumbling innocent who has been made a scapegoat after some pretty tame posts. Regardless, there are other villagers who I deem more likely to be innocent, thus I'm not too upset about trying Durelin. That Seer comment is still making me think. One villager I've not really spoken about yet is Kitanna. She is probably somewhere in the middle of my list. She is attracting suspicion because she voted for Nilp despite believing that he was probably innocent. I can see why some (notably littlemanpoet) are concerned about this. She's probably about level with Durelin in my book. I don't want to vote for either. Another interesting thing about Kitanna is that she is the only villager so far (I think) who seems to be listening to me about Oddwen. Does everyone else think I'm crazy? Hopefully I can get her and some others to take action in this direction tomorrow. I really think it is worthwhile tapping into the group of people who voted for tgwbs on DAY 1. I'm sure there is a wolf in among them. Oddwen is still my first pick. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-28-2005, 09:32 AM	#14
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I think Spawn's been jumping at everyone else's words of me a bit too much. It was very strange the first time she voted for me, as she had not previously mentioned me at all. Still, that was a Day 1 vote, and thus...well, random. And concerning my suggestion for the Seer and Guardian plan thing... It is risky, giving any hints as to who the gifted villagers are, but, in the end, it saves lives. Rather than us blindly lynching random people, we're taking a more cautious approach that can tell us more about who might be a wolf and who is probably innocent. It lowers the likelyhood of us lynching an innocent person, especially as the Days go by and we have more to go on. And thus, even if the wolves figure out who is a gifted villager...rather than both an innocent and even a giften villager getting lynched and getting killed by the wolves, there is only one innocent life taken. For the latter is a garuntee, whether they're gifted or not. It's not at all fool proof, but it's something. And that's what I think we need. Oddwen seems to be getting a lot of attention, too. Her lack of posting, her voting habits, and what others have pointed out about her makes me think. She could be like me, pinpointed for blame that she doesn't share, but... I don't like people who hide under the radar just enough to get by...and she seems to be doing that, to me at least. Others do as well, but I can't help but agree with Eomer and Kitanna, or at least with much of what they say. EDIT: I'm afraid I must be off very shortly for a while, and so I will say this: I think... Eomer is the Seer. Oddwen, Dancing Spawn, and Wilwa are the wolves. Morm might be the Guardian...I don't know. Lhuna might be the cobbler. And so, I will vote ++Oddwen. I hope this proves true... Last edited by Durelin; 07-28-2005 at 09:55 AM.

07-28-2005, 09:57 AM	#16
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Eomer how you feel about Durelin is how I feel about Oddwen. I find her suspicous but not enough to want to vote for her. I am glad that she is garnering suspicion though. Kitanna sits about where Oddwen does in my book. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

07-28-2005, 10:05 AM	#17
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I don't have much time to explain my vote, but I'll try. Durelin doesn't seem so wolfish to me as Guy & Kitanna. I suspect Eomer of innocence and suspecting me in good faith. I'm not going to try to prove to him or Estel my innocence, but the possibility that at least one of the other two who voted for Guy as wolves is worth consideration ... unless Guy is a wolf. I'm getting a little irked at comments like "it looks like {fill in the blank} is going die today. There have hardly been any votes cast. What is the point of saying such things? It seems like a kind of persuasion by suggestion I would expect from a werewolf. Eomer is moving from my neutral, to my suspect list. And Eomer keeps on saying he's not defending Guy while defending Guy. Anybody noticed that? Please, friends, let's put a moratorium on any more votes for Durelin; I'm afraid we may be making a huge mistake if we lynch her.... ++ Oddwen This seems terribly inconsistent, I realize, but I've been reading posts and changing my mind as I've proceeded. What's done is done.