Misc. Questions

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

#1 I've got a new one. Now after the War of Wrath, the xiles were allowed to return not to Valinor but in Avallone (Tol Eressea). What about for the remaining great Eldar? Surely they would not band Galadriel to dwell in Aman (Valimar) to let her be content with an isle (Eressea) in sight of Valinor? After all she was deemed greatest among the Eldar & had the power to intercede for Frodo & Gimli.

#2 Had Gandalf not fallen with the Balrog, what gift would he have received from Galadriel in Lorien?

#3 What race did Dior belong to? An Elf or a mortal?

#4 Will the Doom of Mandos (fading) apply to Thranduil & his subjects?

#5 In your personal opinion, do you think the Elves who remained in Valinor during the turmoils of Morgoth & Sauron in ME became mightier than those who lingered & endured their malice?

#6 How was Glorfindel able to slay a Balrog (Maia) & Finrod can't even scratch Sauron?

New Questions:

#7 Was Sauron more powerful than the Balrog of Moria? Could he have enslaved it to his allegiance?

#8 If Luthien (w/out Huan's aid) & Sauron was pitted against eachother, who would be the victor?

#9 If the Balrog was unleashed & came to Lothlorien, Would the Galadhrim surivive (along with the power of Galadriel)?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Gorthaur the Cruel

#7 Was Sauron more powerful than the Balrog of Moria? Could he have enslaved it to his allegiance?

Yes, Sauron was more powerful than the Balrog- indeed, more than all the Balrogs. As it says in the Valaquenta:

Among those of his [Morgoth's] servants that have names the greatest was that spirit whom the Eldar called Sauron, or Gorthaur the Cruel. In his beginning he was of the Maiar of Aule, and he remained mighty in the lore of that people. In all the deeds of Melkor the Morgoth upon Arda, in his vast works and in the deceits of his cunning, Sauron had a part, and was only less evil than his master in that for long he served another and not himself.

Whether or not Sauron could have enslaved the Balrog to his allegiance, that is a question that cannot be satisfactorily answered. The Balrog, while weaker, is still a mighty Umaia in its own right. Personally, I should say that Sauron- with the Ring- would likely have been able to do so, but that is just my gut feeling.

Originally Posted by Gorthaur the Cruel

#8 If Luthien (w/out Huan's aid) & Sauron was pitted against eachother, who would be the victor?

#9 If the Balrog was unleashed & came to Lothlorien, Would the Galadhrim surivive (along with the power of Galadriel)?

Since Tolkien never gave us a Power Comparisons Table, it's really impossible to say on either of these questions. Like any Alternative Storyline, it is entirely up to conjecture. In both cases, I'd say it would be a close fight either way.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Formendacil,

I checked Wikipedia for Sauron & here's what they said about him:

but in secret Sauron forged the One Ring in Mount Doom to rule the Elvish rings, investing most of his own power into the Ring as he forged it. By doing so, he became more powerful than his master Morgoth at the end of the First Age, whose fëa ("soul" or "spirit"), while stronger, was dispersed into the matter of Arda. When Sauron put on the One Ring and tried to dominate the Elves, they resisted, and Sauron came upon them in the War of the Elves and Sauron and, had it not been for the intervention of Númenor, might have defeated them

So he became mightier than Morgoth when he wore the One Ring right?

[solarisa]

maybe the crown was too heavy for beren? maybe he was too fascinated by the silmarils, therefore only extracting them? or maybe, no one will know...

hmm...elves were just like humans; how do you get the magical stuff in there(about finarfin??)

[Alcarillo]

Originally Posted by solarisa

hmm...elves were just like humans; how do you get the magical stuff in there(about finarfin??)

I suppose what seemed like an ordinary cosmetics routine to the elves must've seemed like magic to Beren and other mortals. This reminds me of a Star Trek episode, in which a primitive species spots the Enterprise and considers its technology to be magic and ends up worshipping Picard. (wierd analogy, I know) Anyways, substitute Felegund and his make-up skill for Picard and his futuristic technology and the primitive species for Mortals and you can see what I mean.

Originally Posted by Gorthaur the Cruel

#4 Will the Doom of Mandos (fading) apply to Thranduil & his subjects?

Thranduil and his subjects are Moriquendi, so no.

Originally Posted by Gorthaur the Cruel

#5 In your personal opinion, do you think the Elves who remained in Valinor during the turmoils of Morgoth & Sauron in ME became mightier than those who lingered & endured their malice?

Interesting question. I think that the Elves in Middle-earth would've stood up better in the face of evil than elves from Valinor, who for so long knew no evil or suffering.

[brim]

I have read a book like that before. It had several different things from the future and they were refered to as magic from the more primitive people's point of veiw. Interesting concept really.

[Thinlómien]

# How was Glorfindel able to slay a Balrog (Maia) & Finrod can't even scratch Sauron?

Because
* Sauron was more powerful than the balrog
* Glorfindel was in better condition in the battle than Finrod, who had laid in a prison for days, when he met his enemy
* Glorfindel got help from Thorondor and he would have lost without the help of the eagle

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Gorthaur the Cruel

So he became mightier than Morgoth when he wore the One Ring right?

Morgoth at the end of the First Age, yes.

As I said, I think it likely that Sauron- wearing the Ring- COULD have asserted control over the Balrog, but I don't KNOW that. After all, the Balrogs were under Morgoth's control from the very beginning, and the reason that Morgoth was so weakened by the late First Age was the dissemination of his power throughout the physical matter of Arda. Perhaps some of that power was imbued into the Balrogs- binding them to his will?

Anyway, that's all speculation on my part, and not speculation to which I am greatly attached, either.