Tol-in-Gaurhoth VII (The Saga goes ever on and on)

[The Only Real Estel]

The way I see it, the village came awfully close to winning this game - which is part of what made it all that more enjoyable and exciting.

Although I obviously won't deny I was hoping to win, by the end of the game I was feeling more than a little guilty about betraying the village. But I suppose it was my job to be a turncoat...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Eomer, darling, you forgot to mention something very flattering toward me:

I knew you were a wolf the moment I came home to find myself dead (almost two weeks ago, wasn't it?).

Originally Posted by PM from Fea to Eomer

(blah blah random non-wolfish stuff about college and travel and other random stuff blah)

PS: You just moved to the permanent position of my top suspect.

He responded with a response to all the non-wolf stuff and a non-commital "Who, me? What the heck makes you think that?".

And yes, that random rep to Lhuna was from me, for anyone who can count and notice who might have done it. I assumed that since the post it was for wasn't concrete, she wouldn't know just what it was for and wouldn't be swayed by it. After all, all I said was "I'll explain this after the game." Apparently randomness is a great decision maker? To explain: I was ecstatic that someone (anyone!) suspected Eomer. Too bad it didn't work.

Beautiful work, Lhuna. I cracked up reading your posts. I had you pegged as cobbler, with Saurreg a close second. Never saw that one coming.

Fantastic modding, Firefoot.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's true, I was at the top of Fea's list all the way. It just made me all the more glad to have killed her at the start.

Thanks for all the praise but I definitely don't deserve a lot of it. We wolves were unlucky in bits but we got really lucky in other bits. Sauce remarked upon part of a brilliant strategy which was actually just a useful side-effect.

I agree with lmp: this game was extremely close and that's what made it so good.

Expect in-depth wolvish analysis.....soon! (No PMs though, we didn't save them, though I did write down all the interesting stuff: I know you want to hear it)

[the guy who be short]

Of course we do Eomer. Wolf-thoughts are always so... interesting.

And mormegil, let's sort this once and for all: how was I odd?

[The Only Real Estel]

Expect in-depth wolvish analysis.....soon! (No PMs though, we didn't save them, though I did write down all the interesting stuff: I know you want to hear it)

But no willful editing either.

For instance, if you told your fellow wolves "Estel is defending me quite a bit, he must be a hapless gullible" I still want to here it.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Sauce remarked upon part of a brilliant strategy which was actually just a useful side-effect.

I would be interested to hear your strategy for dealing with the Shirriffs though. Were you consciously avoiding killing one until you had to in order to prevent there being a known innocent?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Night One: Is agreed that we should keep our traditional gaming roles: Eomer - loudmouth; Oromin - quiet; Kitanna - in between.

Day One: Nilp takes all the attention and dies, leaving the wolves pretty inconspicious. Oromin no-shows, Kitanna bandwagons and Eomer picks out a random (Oddwen) to vote for.

Night Two: We decide that Feanor of the Peredhil is a good choice to kill. She's just too intelligent to keep alive. Her death won't reveal much because her posts were all random jumble anyway. ( ) Plus, there is just no way that Eomer would kill the beloved Fea, so Eomer is off the hook immediately. Right?

Day Two: For some reason unbeknownst to me, the village tries out my 'Oddwen theory'. We all know what happens here: Oddwen and Durelin both reveal gifts and the wolves have to try pretty damn hard not to laugh out loud. Cover it up with one of these: No Guardian to worry about.

Night Three: The gifted Durelin is the obvious choice to kill. Kitanna agrees but is now pretty sure that dancing spawn is the Seer. After all, she had an uncanny and accurate feeling about Kit, apparently from nowhere. Because of this suspicion, Kitanna volunteers to be sacrificed. It would be best if Oromin could do it but: Oromin's RL troubles are revealed. She doesn't think she'll be able to participate too much, so we have to come up with something good for her to do. We decide to confuse the hell out of the village by having Oromin declare that she is the Cobbler, then a wolf, then the Cobbler, then a wolf again. She also names her 'fellow wolves', but no-one buys it, even as a bluff. Still, worth a try. Kit sure she is going to die. Wolves decide to put all eggs into one basket. Eomer is to attack both his comrades.

Day Three: Hunter Durelin has killed Ordo tgwbs? Great elephants! What a result! Oromin leaps right in and starts making heads spin. Eomer attacks Kitanna. Firefoot rubs her eyes in disbelief ( ). Eomer suggests killing Kitanna then Oromin. dancing spawn delighted by village's decision on Kitanna. Kit dies. Village's morale increases.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Eomer on DAY 2

I must say I am baffled by the Werewolves' pick: why Fea? If anyone was going to attract suspicion now that Nilp is dead, it would be the resident pathological liar.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Night Four: The advice of the now-deceased Kitanna is heeded and we decide to kill dancing spawn of ungoliant. Eomer at least is very convinced we have the Seer. Her suspicion of Kitanna made little sense to us. Plus, we had decided on this sacrificial lamb policy so we had to follow through with it.

Day Four: O dear. Not the Seer, eh? Silent humiliation as villagers mock the wolves' judgment. Vows are made about catching the Seer very soon (true). Elf-warrior is killed and this baffles us, though in a good way. Why he attracted so much suspicion? A complete mystery....Eomer votes for Oromin (who is still not perceived to be a wolf by the village!)

Night Five: Oromin is very amused by her continued survival. Eomer is sure that Kath is the Seer (see her insistence on Oromin's guilt) but he has nagging doubts about littlemanpoet. Realises that, if littlemanpoet is the Seer, then he must die immediately. Kath probably won't dream about Eomer tonight so we can afford this.

Day Five: Oromin finally dies! But the plan has not worked out as well as we would have liked, not at all actually. There is much suspicion around Eomer. He is very worried by this.

Night Six: Lhuna is making me think that she might be the Seer. If she is then so be it: we've lost. But, I have a very good feeling that Kath is the Seer.

Day Six: Eomer actually shouts out in joy when he finds out that Kath was indeed the Seer. Saurreg inadvertantly saves me (I believe) by attacking Mormegil. Eomer not really at his best today. Makes a less than convincing vote for Mormegil. Morm just knows I'm the wolf; I'm glad he's dead. Morm and lmp really had my number and I'm so glad they died just in time.

Night Seven: Encaitare to die. Everyone knows she's innocent anyway. Plus, I think I'd find it easier to manipulate Wilwa than I would Enca (a veteran of Werewolf). But: worrying thing happens tonight. I convince Firefoot to start another DAY immediately. Later realise that this probably clears Lhuna and Saurreg from suspicion because of time zones. Luckily nobody seems to notice, but still rather worrying.

Day Seven: Eomer leaps right in, attacks and votes for Lhunardawen. Saucepan Man later supposes this to be a brilliant strategy but at the time I wondered if I had been too hasty. It had nothing to do with the Sheriffs. At least it was a pretty good assault which no-one really had an issue with. Lhuna changes her mind about me. I feel so bad for her, so sorry sis...

Night Eight: Wilwa the obvious innocent to go. I am thinking that tomorrow will be a really confusing day. A wolf, a cobbler and an Ordo who is losing the numbers game? Surely there will be three deceivers on this day! (Notice that I did not see the absolutely obvious conclusion to be drawn from this scenario - luckily TORE did. ) I even toyed with the idea of leaving wilwa alive and trying to manipulate her against Estel or Saurreg. Pointless really, I wasn't noticing the simplest solution. Even admitted this to Firefoot! Feel quite embarrassed and silly.

Day Eight: Lo and behold! It was much easier than I thought it would be.

[The Only Real Estel]

I convince Firefoot to start another DAY immediately. Later realise that this probably clears Lhuna and Saurreg from suspicion because of time zones. Luckily nobody seems to notice, but still rather worrying.

Eomer leaps right in, attacks and votes for Lhunardawen. Saucepan Man later supposes this to be a brilliant strategy but at the time I wondered if I had been too hasty.

I did think about the time zones, which further convinced me that you were the wolf - Saurreg had to much evidence against him (I had forgotten about his time zone), & Lhuna couldn't possibly give her kill to Firefoot unless I had miscalculated or she was pulling an all-nighter. I was hoping to do away with Saurreg, though, because I was least suspicious of him (I admit that was partially based on the rough calculation that the odds of him being a wolf twice in a row were 9:225, though of course I couldn't say a gameish thing like that ); but Eomer forced my hand by voting for Lhuna.

[The Saucepan Man]

Did no one else work out that, with a known innocent (the surviving shirriff), all the innocent villagers had to do was agree that everyone except the shirriff should vote for one another? That way, either the villagers would guarantee a win (by leaving the shirriff as the sole survivor) or identify the remaining wolf and the cobbler (ie those who refused to play along). With non-retractable votes, this could have ensured a villager win. It was only Eomer pre-empting the situation which prevented this happening, and that should have aroused suspicion.

[the guy who be short]

Lo and behold, the phantom has hacked SpM's account...

[The Only Real Estel]

DAY FOUR

Dancing Spawn is gone. What is up with all these darned ordinaries? Oh well. Morm suggests the seer reveals him/herself, I hope they have not dreamed of Eomer or else all is lost. Eomer suggests again that we lynch Oromin - I wouldn't be suprised at all if he was a wolf looking to gain innocent status by voting out both of his fellow wolves. I don't want to kill Oro for at least another DAY, I'd better post suspicions about Lhuna & someone else (#282). Since I'm saying that Oromin is the cobbler & thinking that Elf-Warrior might possibly be a wolf instead of Eomer I'd better propose we lynch Oro first (#284). Wait, I know Oro isn't the cobbler so she is a wolf so I dont' want to lynch her. Remember that! Gah. I'd better post again - 'agreeing' that maybe Oro shouldn't be lynched, I think I'll say I'm suspicious of quite a few people - this will keep the villager's minds busy & I won't run the risk of drawing much attention to any wolf(ves) (#288). Lhuna sounds sincerely innocent. Good, that's the green light I needed to go after her. Lmp points out Enca & Wilwa as sheriffs. Well, EW is going so I think I'll vote for someone who won't be lynched today anyway - Oromin. Lmp is suspicious of Eomer & I? Darn it. I'd be dig some dirt up on him without looking to defensive, I think I'll wait until tommorrow to post it though, that way we can lynch him instead of Oro. Eomer defends me. Cool. So Elf-Warrior was innocent? Good.

Saucey: I think the main thing prohibiting us from that was the wrath of the ModessGodess. Firefoot basically said she didn't want any double lynchings, so, although they were discussed briefly a few times, we never carried any out.

[The Only Real Estel]

DAY FIVE

No!!! Not lmp!!! I spent all that time for nothing! We probably could've gotten a free day's worth of lynching by getting lmp but now those blasted wolves have screwed things up. Today I am severely ticked off, my whole case has gone for nothing, although I did post a bit of it at the very start of the DAY. Mormegil again suggests that the seer comes forward, I doubt Eomer will allow it. I try to paint Oromin as a cobbler that can be ignored (to save us one more day) & Lhuna as a wolf (#314). Kath quotes lmp on Eomer & I, that has got to stop, & quick. I defend Eomer, then try to take the villagers minds off of the wolves temporarily by reminding them of the Cursed Villager (#317). Oromin will probably die. Oh well, we bought some time. Mormegil grows more suspicious of Eomer & I, storm coulds are gathering. If Eomer kills Morm during the night it will be linked back to one of us so I'd better point out a possible setup now, I think I'll cast a few shadows of doubt around by questioning Morm about his early voting (#322). Now Lhuna questions Eomer & I, things are looking badly. Eomer defends our behavior in a fairly sincere way, I am not convinced but I hope the others are. Oro is definitly gone, why does Saurreg vote for Wilwarin now that it's been generally established that she is one of the sheriffs? Hmm. Ah, I was right, Eomer doesn't want the seer to come out, although he says he's pretty sure he knows who the Seer is...I guess we'll find out if the seer goes the next NIGHT or not. Brought up the possibility of Oromin being a sheriff in an effort to possibly gain her another DAY, but mostly to cause a bit of confusion. Firefoot posts earlier than I thought she would, I don't vote. Darn, we're down to one wolf & a cobbler. I doubt we'll be able to pull this off, if Eomer is about to go I'd better forget my strategy & get myself lynched that day, though I don't know how I'd do it.

PM to Firefoot:

Wow, I thought this game would be over a few days ago. To bad about Oromin, despite what "the other wolf" said it hurts to lose one this late in the game (Some cobbler I turned out to be, I cast suspicion on Kitanna early & voted for Oromin the first day! ).

Still, I'm hoping that Eomer is the final wolf, in which case him consistently staying on Oromin will help his cause.

Now that the game has reached this point I need to start causing some confusion & hopefully directing some suspicion to some innocents. Unfortunately, I can only hope that they are innocent. Saurreg is an easy target because of his confusing speech & early vote - an early vote like that would be a ridiculous thing for a wolf to do, so I'm attacking him a little hoping that he's innocent. Hopefully I can pacify Mormegil by putting him low on my suspect list...I need to stay alive for two more lynchings if at all possible so I can vote for myself on the last DAY, that way the wolf will get an easy majority by voting for me & we will win. Of course I'll look like an idiot for trying to stay in the shadows if a wolf gets hung before then .

If only the wolves hadn't wasted a night on lmp, I had nearly an airtight case against him that I was ready to post as soon as the DAY started - then I found out he was dead. *Sigh*

If Eomer or Mormegil (but especially Eomer) is the wolf than I think we stand a good chance of winning - if not I have no idea what will happen because I'm pretty much banking my entire strategy (such as it is) on the hope that Eomer is the wolf. Well, we'll see what happens, hopefully we can get Lhuna hung since she is suspicious & probably is not a wolf.

-Estel-

Apoligies for the length.

[mormegil]

But: worrying thing happens tonight. I convince Firefoot to start another DAY immediately. Later realise that this probably clears Lhuna and Saurreg from suspicion because of time zones. Luckily nobody seems to notice, but still rather worrying.

I actually picked up on this and at the time it happened I knew that you were online and therefore it fully solidified my belief. I think on something like this in the future we really ought to give at least 8 hours as a minimum.