Werewolf IIX - Tra la la lally, here down in the Saga, ha ha!

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by arcticstorm

I was hoping not to have to reveal this today, yet with two people seriously considering me to be a wolf, at least one of whom may be able to convince people to join his cause. I must now reveal myself to be the other sherriff.

Okay, thank you. I was beginning to want you to reveal yourself just because the bandwaggoning seems to be gathering against Spawn and me (including Spawn!) Maybe that's being emotional instead of clearheaded, but I was beginning to desperately want a known innocent around.

And if any werewolf decides to say "No, he's not the shirriff, I am!", then you're welcome to try it. I for one will side with arcticstorm and lynch you. So go ahead and make my day.

Well. My Day's initial slate of most suspicious has pretty much been wiped clean. Back to the drawing board.

Oh, and Arcticstorm, please accept my apology for forcing your hand. It was really too early for you to come forward, as there are too many werecreatures still alive. I'm sorry, fellow Ords, to have been instrumental in blowing what little chance we have of beating the odds.

By the way, it still seems really leaping to think that my vote for Gurthang on Day one makes me wolvish. You are quite right to say that such a thing is way too daring for a werewolf, especially in this particular game fraught with werewolves, werebear and cobbler, for them to have to mess around with that. They don't need to, more's the pity.

Back to the bakery for me, and I will vote very late. You won't be reading anything from me until very late. Off to make more custard pies, should the chance be available to throw them on the morrow.....

And if I die before I'm waked
I wonder what werething his bloodthirst has slaked?

[Meneltarmacil]

And if I die before I'm waked
I wonder what werething his bloodthirst has slaked?

Is this a not-so-cryptic hinte that we oughte to looke out for Laitaine? Or is this Knighte reading too muche into thy poste?

[Gurthang]

LMP, despite your vote for me on DAY 1, I am only mildly suspicious of you, and not at all for your vote. What makes me suspicious are your mistakes here:

Originally posted by LMP (post #141)
my mildly suspicious list:

Boromir: Is too aggressive in his attacks against Gurthang over the in-character animal rights thing.

Encaitare: Points at Gurthang for merely being in character.

To which I answered:

Originally posted by Gurthang (post #146)
littlemanpoet, I just want to point out to you that you voted for me yesterday for about that same reason.

Following that you said:

Originally posted by LMP (post #211)
Gurthang, earlier you reminded me that Boromir and Encaitare were only doing what I had already done, accusing someone for being in character. The difference is that I was the first, and they bandwaggoned on my idea. If it had been the other way around, I'd be the suspicious one.

Which is also wrong, as Boromir pointed out:

Originally posted by Boromir (post #216)
Another thing mistaken lmp. In post #2 Alcarillo voiced some concern for Gurthang. My post after #3 voiced stronger concerns. And continued until Gurthang defended his stance in which case I turned my decision towards Mithalwen

These mistakes could be simply that: mistakes. Yet they also look like twisting words; something a wolf would do. I kind of think it was just mistakes, but I am watching you because of the above statements.

Yet I am still more suspicious of Gil-Galad. That first day vote against me seems like an attempt to change the momentum, and was not really explained at all. He has not said anything since I last posted and a lot of his posts before that confused me. I want to hear from him again, especially since I think I will vote for him again toDAY.

And, if Gil-Galad would turn out to be a wolf, then I will be looking closer at LMP, since he, Gil and Mith all voted for me on DAY 1. Boromir's reverse psychology idea makes sense. (but that will be only if Gil-Galad is a wolf)

[Lalaith]

Oh dear. I'm really sorry about arcticstorm outing himself. My philosophical friend, I was pretty sure who you were, and while any defence I could give you would probably have done you more harm than good given the suspicion I've been under, I had a feeling SpM also had worked this out and would have tried to protect you (which is incidentally one of the reasons I was inclined to believe in his, SpM's, innocence).
It's not inconceivable that Lmp had the same suspicion as I did about arcticstorm and set about flushing him out on purpose with his accusations. Ho hum.

[Boromir88]

LMP, yes a double-bluff is bold, I wouldn't try using one, but who knows. To let you know (if it's any comfort) I'm nowhere near thinking about voting for you for any reason, atleast yet. I do have suspicions on you, but I do read what you have to say, as you have things to offer. I also agree that it would be deeply unwise just to look at one suspect. Yesterday, before I voted I had three people in mind, and toiled with the decision of sleeping overnight, and getting up early to vote. My concern was I wouldn't get up in time, therefor I decided to vote right before I went to bed (11 pm), and I had to make the decision then. Sadly, and regrettably, it was the wrong choice. I agree it would be foolish to be set on one person.

Lalaith, I won't deny my involvement in Captain's lynching. To do so would be utterly stupid, as I was one of the vocal voices in his lynching. But, I did say that my idea of "innocence not having to prove their innocence. Only guilty people stoutly deny their innocence because they have something to fear" might not work.

I think using the indian example again, I mean I don't know about you. I may not have lied but I would certainly be afraid of a hot iron being put in my mouth, that could get someone scared, therefor their tongue burns and they were not a liar, just feered the hot iron.

Also, I offer possible solutions, whether people decide to agree with them or not is up to them. So, while I was instrumental in being one to voice my suspicion about Captain of Despair, I would not take full blame, nor accept taking full blame for I was only one of the several to decide to lynch him. Obviously others found sufficient belief in his lynching. As it turned out, we had the wrong person.

[Boromir88]

I'm posting again to step out and speak towards arcticstorm.

Tis a noble thing for you to do, to step out and declare your identity. I would have waited, as I didn't see much to suggest you were guilty (atleast I wouldn't have voted for you), but that does not lessen your honor. You will be missed, good sir.

[Gil-Galad]

you know what i just realized, since that i'm a suspect, the wolves or bear could kill off one of the villagers that are suspecting me to frame me and save their own hide, i great tactic that we kinda helped the wolves set up...

[Meneltarmacil]

Gil-Galad, thou hast been extraordinarily quiete recentely. I woulde have expected thee to vote for Captain, but thou didst not. I cannot comprehend what thou mightst be, though I still believe "Wolfe" is ye best answer. Do something suspiciouse and when people suspect thee, hide and say little...

My minde is somewhat blanke at this pointe. arcticstorm, if thou hast any insighte as a Sherriff, I aske thee to share it.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Well, yes. I miss CaptainofDespair's presence among us very much.

::Glares back at SPM::

Now that's a cheap shot! Just like the one with which you launched your sloppy and undercooked custard pies.

You have talked much recently, and yet little you say goes towards assuaging my suspicions of you. And it seems that you were instrumental in our noble Shirriff's decision to reveal himself.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Yet we have no clear idea how to flush one out with any confidence. That's why I say get the wolves. ... unless you have a really good sense for the werebear.

Well, you're my only real suspect at the moment. But, as it happens, I agree that there is probably much more to go on as far as the Wolves are concerned. I just don't think we should take our eyes of the Bear-ball while we are looking for Wolves. And it's worth bearing (no pun intended) in mind that the Beorning wants the Wolves dead too.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Judge my words versus arcticstorm's

Indeed we will.

(There we are, that's my cheap shot in return. )

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

As a matter of fact, SPM, you seem to have a blind spot about Boromir, because he did NOT appear on your post # 200 list of those who had voted for both Mithalwen and CoD. That could be seen as suspicious, but I believe it is merely an error because you have yet to seriously suspect Boromir.

It was not an error. My list, concerning who might be Wolves, comprised those who voted for Mithalwen when her fate was either sealed or pretty much so and who voted for CaptainofDespair. Boromir88 voted fourth for Mithalwen - putting her one vote ahead of Gurthang. Does anybody really think that one Wolf would vote for another in those circumstances on the first Day? I don't have a blind spot for Boromir88. I just find it extremely unlikely that he's a Wolf. I have not, however, discounted the possibility of him being a Bear.

Originally Posted by dancing spawn

I don't know if you are entirely serious with your accusations (I notice that many are happily climbing the bandwagon, though) but I'm going to defend myself a little.

I'm not accusing you as such. I just want to know why it is that you seem so innocent in my mind. You make some interesting points in your defence, so I'm glad that you took the time to set it out.

Originally Posted by dancing spawn

SpM's suspicion of me is based on his belief that one or two wolves voted for CoD yesterday. When he had decided that, he had just to finger at the voting list of day1 so it would support his view. Simple yet not very accurate (sorry).

I have explained the basis for the list (on which I included myself). No, it's not very accurate, but studying voting patterns is one of the few things that we have to go on at the moment. And it did not support my view as far as you are concerned since I was at that time (and still am) loathe to suspect you.

Originally Posted by arcticstorm

I was hoping not to have to reveal this today, yet with two people seriously considering me to be a wolf, at least one of whom may be able to convince people to join his cause. I must now reveal myself to be the other sherriff.

I am sorry that you were forced into revealing yourself, arcticstorm. But it does restore my faith somewhat in my own judgement (after the CaptainofDespair fiasco) as I had an idea that you were the second Shirriff. I noticed that you and Firefoot mildly defended each other on the first two Days and I have never really harboured any serious suspicion of you. But now that you are revealed, I would greatly like to hear your further thoughts on our predicament.

Originally Posted by litlemanpoet

So SPM thinks I'm a Bear and Boromir thinks I'm a wolf.

I am fairly certain that LMP is not a Wolf, whatever he may be.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

But PLEASE, people, look at the cases against EVERY VILLAGER. Don't get sucked into a latest fad of who's guilty and who's not.

I agree with that. I most certainly do not go along with what anyone says uncritically. But we do have a decision to make today and so I for one welcome everyone setting out their views concerning our foes. In those circumstances, it is natural (and indeed beneficial if we are not to lynch more than one of our number) that a degree of consensus will form.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

It's just that Gil-galad seems frankly too nonchalant to even care about being a werewolf or not. Maybe he's a wolf putting on a narcissistic act, but if he is, I guess he's got me so far convinced.

I'm with you on that one.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

These mistakes could be simply that: mistakes. Yet they also look like twisting words; something a wolf would do. I kind of think it was just mistakes, but I am watching you because of the above statements.

Yes, he made a mistake with my list too (see above). By themselves they don't mean much, but it seems to me that a number of things are beginning to stack up as far as LMP is concerned.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

It's not inconceivable that Lmp had the same suspicion as I did about arcticstorm and set about flushing him out on purpose with his accusations. Ho hum.

There's another. I agree that it most certainly is not beyond the bounds of possibilty.

[Laitaine]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Also, I offer possible solutions, whether people decide to agree with them or not is up to them. So, while I was instrumental in being one to voice my suspicion about Captain of Despair, I would not take full blame, nor accept taking full blame for I was only one of the several to decide to lynch him. Obviously others found sufficient belief in his lynching. As it turned out, we had the wrong person.

Ah, but when I voted Alcarillo, it was said that I was scheming
Clearly, I was wrong, but all suspicion was not leaving.
Make no mistake, I’m on your side, ‘twas a very simple err,
To lynch you for a simple slip? I would never dare.
The ones that find you guilty, I think they are in the wrong
Now, I must go run and errand, so I’ll pause here in my song.

[Laitaine]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Is this a not-so-cryptic hinte that we oughte to looke out for Laitaine? Or is this Knighte reading too muche into thy poste?

I wonder much the same as you--but it may not be.
I notice that the wolves, too, write wicked poetry.

*sob, burying face in hands*

A saddened place the world is where art is simply jeered
My once noble profession is now, by wicked, seared!

[SamwiseGamgee]

I'm becoming more and more sure that Gil is calling our bluff. I suspected him yesterday and having read his posts today, and especially #237, I'm pretty convinced that he's up to something. But what? is it cobbler, bear or audacious werewolf? Who knows. Also, Enca voted for him yesterday. Now, sure, I hear you groan that that's just too predictable and nobody'd be so stupid- but i just can't help wonder if it's one of those dangerous dances on the knife-edge of stupidity and brilliance.

Also, lmp, you said that in post #44 I voted late and safe for Mith. Um, no. I was second to vote for her, convinced by Firefoot's reasoning. The mistakes which several people have pointed out that you made in that post worry me. Are they just honest mistakes or are they subtle perversions which you hoped nobody would pick up on? I just don't know what to think anymore!

[SamwiseGamgee]

Here's a crazy plan I literally just thought of which may just be crazy enough to work: we lynch articstorm. We basically know that the wolves will want to kill him overnight, so it might just work for theses reasons: (1) it'll remove options from the wolves- killing articstorm is a safe kill for them, it sheds no extra light on the situation; (2) if the wolves leave articstorm alive tonight we're all going to be very suspicious tomorrow, and we're all going to start clutching at straws regarding bluffs; and (3) there's a small possibility that articstorm is bluffing. Suspicions of him were not really strong enough to warrant him revealling himself when he did. If he is bluffing, he won't be an innocent and so we'll net ourselves something hairy!

I've not even convinced myself this is a good idea yet- and you'll probably lynch me for even suggesting it, but I'm just throwing it out there for discussion.

[Laitaine]

Originally Posted by SamwiseGamgee

Here's a crazy plan I literally just thought of which may just be crazy enough to work: we lynch articstorm. We basically know that the wolves will want to kill him overnight, so it might just work for theses reasons: (1) it'll remove options from the wolves- killing articstorm is a safe kill for them, it sheds no extra light on the situation; (2) if the wolves leave articstorm alive tonight we're all going to be very suspicious tomorrow, and we're all going to start clutching at straws regarding bluffs; and (3) there's a small possibility that articstorm is bluffing. Suspicions of him were not really strong enough to warrant him revealling himself when he did. If he is bluffing, he won't be an innocent and so we'll net ourselves something hairy!

I've not even convinced myself this is a good idea yet- and you'll probably lynch me for even suggesting it, but I'm just throwing it out there for discussion.

I don’t think I need to point out that this plan is dicey,
I daresay that Arctic's reaction will be fairly icy.
I’d rather take a chance and try to kill a wolf today--
Wolves want us to kill innocents, and therefore pave their way.

*purses lips* However…

We don’t know what will happen if Arctic lives the day,
We could just wait to see what Arcticstorm will say.
If he likes your plan, well, I still don't think it wise,
But before we even think about it, let's hear it from his eyes.

[Gurthang]

Samwise Gamgee, I must say that I, at least, will not lynch you for the idea, but I do not like it. Killing a known innocent is not going to help us as a village. Sure, it leaves the werecreatures in doubt, but they will still pick two others to kill tonight. By not lynching arcticstorm, we almost guarantee that we know what our opponets will do(they'll kill him), thus keeping us a step ahead. And we just might get a wolf or the bear if we lynch someone besides arcticstorm.

And think about this: Perhaps the wolves and the bear will both try to kill arcticstorm. Would that result in only him dying? If so, it would be good because we only lose one innocent tonight rather than two. Or perhaps they(wolves and bear) would both think the other will kill arcticstorm, so they both leave him and we have a known innocent alive tomorrow.

Personally, I would feel a lot better about lynching someone who is acting suspicious rather than lynching a known innocent. I'm still leaning towards Gil-Galad. His last post could be a sincere defense attempt, or it could be him trying to bluff himself to safety; I'm not really certain.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Is this a not-so-cryptic hinte that we oughte to looke out for Laitaine? Or is this Knighte reading too muche into thy poste?

You're reading too much in. I had actually composed it when I was still most suspicious of arcticstorm & Boromir, figuring only one might get lynched, the other survive, and want to get rid of me because I'm too close to the truth; which obviously ain't so! (durn it) But I felt like posting the ditty anyway. Sorry to mislead yet again! I just made another custard pie.

::LMP smashes eggy custard pie in own face::

Originally Posted by Gurthang

What makes me suspicious are your mistakes...

I blame that on my very shorthand notes. I jot a quick couple words on each post to get the kernel idea and hope for the best. Unfortunately, it has resulted in some mistakes in the details. Sorry about that. If I were a werewolf or werebear, I would be far more careful than I have been, for reasons stated in my first post toDay.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

It's not inconceivable that Lmp had the same suspicion as I did about arcticstorm and set about flushing him out on purpose with his accusations.

You give me far too much credit.

Originally Posted by Boromir

I agree it would be foolish to be set on one person.

Quite. As you saw, I had two. Now I have none. Sigh.

I just thought of something. And this is probably as bad an idea as arcticstorm's: double lynch. Maybe we get lucky and kill two werethings at one go. Probably not though. Still, I just feel like Gil is playing games with all our minds instead of being a werethingy. Therefore, one of my next most suspicious gets my vote:

++ Nonnacedak

Laitaine, paint me not with the brush of wickedness.
Though I've mistaken twice today, 'twas attempted rightliness.
Note too that your sprightly versing I most certainly have noticed,
and is my main grounds for leaving you off my werelist.

And I agree with you about Nonna, obviously.

Originally Posted by Samwise

Also, lmp, you said that in post #44 I voted late and safe for Mith. Um, no. I was second to vote for her, convinced by Firefoot's reasoning.

I did notice that your vote came later than the others, but my notes also revealed that Mith had already been under suspicion well before your vote; which still makes me doubt you. It would have been, borrowing the words of Spawn, a shameless act from a fellow werewolf, but werewolves are shameless. They have to be. Your crazy plan to lynch a known innocent worries ME about YOU. Nevertheless, it appears to be too bold for a werethingy. Others have sufficiently answered you.

Spawn seems innocent because she has been straightforward, just as you have, SPM. She sounds right. Funny, I thought I did, too, yet I'm suspected of being a Bear. But then this time in our village is all about reading things into others' words which may or may not be there. Sigh.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

And think about this: Perhaps the wolves and the bear will both try to kill arcticstorm.

Or maybe he'll survive because they figure the other evil party will go after him. Or they'll both take a stab at who they think the Seer might be instead.

Originally Posted by SPM

As for the Bear, well LMP remains my prime suspect.

Just a note in case you all lynch me. Since I'm not the Bear, who's the best choice instead? But please don't try for the Bear if you have a good idea who a Wolf is!

Now here goes Durelin, casting suspicion so far and wide that I gotta wonder if we weren't onto somthing earlier. I mean, what's up with a suspect list of no less than five fellow villagers when there are only 2 werewolves, 1 werebear, and 1 cobbler? I suppose maybe she's being "thorough". Hmmmm....

Wilwarin's continued failure to vote is less than stellar gaming, for one thing, and otherwise suspicious.

I just saw Spawn's vote for me. Oh well. If I die before I wake....

[SamwiseGamgee]

++ Gil-Galad

I'm really pretty sure that he's some sort of were-creature, and even if he's not the confusion he's casting in this village is counter-productive and distracting. That may sound fanatical, but it's really just me saying that he could be the cobbler.

I must leave now and earn my keep- I hope to reurn in time to find a gallows with a werewolf or bear hanging upon it. If there is not may Wargy protect this village of Hamlet.

[wilwarin538]

Well luckily I have wocken up this morning early enough to vote, its 7 am where I am so that doesn't happen very often. I hope you guys beleive me when I say that I din't vote because I was not prepared to vote for any one, now after reading what has been said since last night I will vote for:

++Nonnacedak

For reasons stated by others.

[arcticstorm]

I have been thinking about this, and with Gil most likely being the cobbler and probably going to be lynched anyway. I will therfore vote for our resident feline who has been on my suspicion list for some time.

++Durelin

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, with only two votes left (including mine), Gil-Galad will be lynched, and there is thankfully no possibility of a tie.

I am still inclined to believe that Gil is innocent or the Cobbler. I can't help but feel that, were he a Wolf, he would have made sure to vote yester-Day, when the voting was tight, to save himself. Then again, his Day 1 vote speaks against him, as does his claim, earlier to-Day, that he might be the victim of a frame-up.

I suppose that there are worse choices than Gil. He just might be a Wolf, and could quite possibly be the Cobbler. And, if he is innocent, I highly doubt that he is one of our remaining Gifteds.

Well, since my vote will now make no difference, I will use against the one person of whom I have become more and more suspicious as to-Day has progressed.

++ DANCING SPAWN OF UNGOLIANT

She states that she voiced suspicion of Mithalwen on Day 1, but that was at a time when Mithalwen, with 6 votes, looked fairly likely to be lynched. She voted for her shortly afterwards, when Mithalwen's fate was almost certainly sealed. That seems to me to be a perfect way for a Wolf to clothe herself in innocence and thereby profit from the death of one of her own kind. Also, her vote for CaptainofDespair was fairly decisive, putting him two votes ahead of Gil-Galad. Quite possibly, she concluded from what he had said in his defence that he was the Ranger.

I remain suspicious of the others identified in my previous post too. And, whether Gil-Galad turns out to be Wolf, Cobbler, Bear or innocent, his death may well serve to provide further enlightenment.