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Son of Fire · 05-01-2003, 02:35 PM

Gandalf was the third istar ot be chosen (of the original three), after sarumon and allatar, but it was recorded that Manwe's wife said third, but not last, and Cirdan, upon Gandalf's entry into ME, gave him Narya, seeing that he was the most powerful, also Celeborn and Galadriel wanted him to be the head of the white council, but he refused, not wanting dominion, and this also happened, if I am not mistaken, when it was desired to be the head of the istari. As for being "beaten" by sarumon in orthanc, he was detained, but wasn't he able to get out, and his staff was not taken. He was stabbed in the back in truth and trust.

05-01-2003, 02:35 PM	#28
Son of Fire Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 50	Gandalf was the third istar ot be chosen (of the original three), after sarumon and allatar, but it was recorded that Manwe's wife said third, but not last, and Cirdan, upon Gandalf's entry into ME, gave him Narya, seeing that he was the most powerful, also Celeborn and Galadriel wanted him to be the head of the white council, but he refused, not wanting dominion, and this also happened, if I am not mistaken, when it was desired to be the head of the istari. As for being "beaten" by sarumon in orthanc, he was detained, but wasn't he able to get out, and his staff was not taken. He was stabbed in the back in truth and trust. __________________ Say my name and I'm gone, who am I?