The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

SamwiseGamgee · 08-25-2005, 05:38 PM

Well, Kath, your pain must be considerable. And after Eomer gave such a glowing report from Madrid. Your vitriol must be huge! I give you permission to direct general viciousness at the horsemaster. It will help the healing process, I'm sure.

Oh, aren't Wargs great!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-26-2005, 05:49 AM

The search for Wargs takes time and skill. Kath here is a relative newcomer to this glorious world. Why, it is said that even Elessar Telcontar, Aragorn II, the greatest tracker of the Third Age, took a good four years to track down the first Warg he ever saw. And those were an intense four years of seeking for naught else.

I myself spent 23 years searching for my first glimpse of a real life Warg. So take courage Kath, and I'm sure that you will be rewarded for your faith.

Kath · 08-26-2005, 10:46 AM

Thank you for the kind words Samwise and Eomer. It makes me feel a little better and gives me the hope I need to keep searching!

arcticstorm · 09-03-2005, 05:14 PM

I find it interesting how all over the downs I have seen debates on the nature of Gothmog, lieutenant of Morgul. Now after careful research into the topic, I can guarantee that he was, in fact, a warg. Through this research, I have come across numerous ancient documents describing his rise to power, and his fall from it, It is interesting to note that after his fall from power, he became second in command at Pellanor. He had been in charge of all the armies of Mordor before that time, and it was, in fact, his throwing his stakes in with the losing side of the all-to-common, inter-orc squables that took place in Barad-dur that caused his fall.

Two of the most prominent orc tribes in Mordor were invited to Barad-dur for a banquet of man-flesh and other cullinary delights, when a dispute arose among them. Many of the Nazgul, and even the future mouth of Sauron sided with one side, and gothmog sidede with the other. Needless to say with all the backstabbing that took placei n Sauron's court, they were able to hurt Gothmog's image, and ended up giving his position to the Witch King. But Gothmog still retained a lot of his authority.

In fatc,Sauron himself knew about the intelligence of this warg. and refused to demote him any farther than he had to to keep his other subjsects loyal, but still gave him a lot of authority. It is also a little known fact that PJ knew about this story when he made his movie. If you notice a lyena in the fight for Minis Tirith? This is actually Gothmog, not the pink orc-thing that many normally think is Gothmog. Actually that pink thing only served as Gothmogs mouth peice, much like the MoS did for Sauron.

SamwiseGamgee · 09-04-2005, 07:59 AM

Well, well, well, articstorm. That certainly is an interesting theory. I have done little research into Gothmog, but I must say I think your post may be the final answer to all the issues of all the scholars. I shall return and post as soon as I know more!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-04-2005, 01:25 PM

This makes so much sense. And on first impression, it appears to be yet another case of the Wargs being treated with naught but disdain by the authors of the Red Book.

See the painstaking description of the Nazgûl all throughout the book. Witness the bone-chilling introduction of the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gate. Yet Gothmog is treated as an afterthought. How could this be the case were tradition correct and Gothmog was to be thought of as a Ringwraith or a Black Númenórean? It is still possible that Gothmog was an Orc, but I doubt this greatly. Gothmog was a Warg and once again we have to face this harsh reality: that Wargs are slowly but surely being eliminated from history.

It makes me crumple with despair; and boil with fury.

Great work arcticstorm!

Formendacil · 09-04-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

This makes so much sense. And on first impression, it appears to be yet another case of the Wargs being treated with naught but disdain by the authors of the Red Book.

See the painstaking description of the Nazgûl all throughout the book. Witness the bone-chilling introduction of the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gate. Yet Gothmog is treated as an afterthought. How could this be the case were tradition correct and Gothmog was to be thought of as a Ringwraith or a Black Númenórean? It is still possible that Gothmog was an Orc, but I doubt this greatly. Gothmog was a Warg and once again we have to face this harsh reality: that Wargs are slowly but surely being eliminated from history.

It makes me crumple with despair; and boil with fury.

Great work arcticstorm!

One has to wonder though...

Are all cases the work of the evil Anti-Warg group?

Could there not be some cases in which the Wargs themselves have suppressed the true history? After all, if Gothmog of Morgul really was a Warg, would the Wargs want this to be known? After all, there are enough people Warg-bashing without adding fuel to the fire. Perhaps the Wargs have themselves worked to hide Gothmog's true story. After all, Wargs are not tame creatures...

08-25-2005, 05:38 PM	#1
SamwiseGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the warm bosom of a Warg Posts: 378	Well, Kath, your pain must be considerable. And after Eomer gave such a glowing report from Madrid. Your vitriol must be huge! I give you permission to direct general viciousness at the horsemaster. It will help the healing process, I'm sure. Oh, aren't Wargs great! __________________ -- Well, I'm back. Last edited by SamwiseGamgee; 08-25-2005 at 05:39 PM. Reason: The effects of a bottle of wine on my higher brain functions

08-26-2005, 05:49 AM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The search for Wargs takes time and skill. Kath here is a relative newcomer to this glorious world. Why, it is said that even Elessar Telcontar, Aragorn II, the greatest tracker of the Third Age, took a good four years to track down the first Warg he ever saw. And those were an intense four years of seeking for naught else. I myself spent 23 years searching for my first glimpse of a real life Warg. So take courage Kath, and I'm sure that you will be rewarded for your faith. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

08-26-2005, 10:46 AM	#3
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Thank you for the kind words Samwise and Eomer. It makes me feel a little better and gives me the hope I need to keep searching! __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

09-04-2005, 07:59 AM	#5
SamwiseGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the warm bosom of a Warg Posts: 378	Well, well, well, articstorm. That certainly is an interesting theory. I have done little research into Gothmog, but I must say I think your post may be the final answer to all the issues of all the scholars. I shall return and post as soon as I know more! __________________ -- Well, I'm back.

09-04-2005, 01:25 PM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	This makes so much sense. And on first impression, it appears to be yet another case of the Wargs being treated with naught but disdain by the authors of the Red Book. See the painstaking description of the Nazgûl all throughout the book. Witness the bone-chilling introduction of the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gate. Yet Gothmog is treated as an afterthought. How could this be the case were tradition correct and Gothmog was to be thought of as a Ringwraith or a Black Númenórean? It is still possible that Gothmog was an Orc, but I doubt this greatly. Gothmog was a Warg and once again we have to face this harsh reality: that Wargs are slowly but surely being eliminated from history. It makes me crumple with despair; and boil with fury. Great work arcticstorm! __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-03-2005, 05:14 PM	#4
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	I find it interesting how all over the downs I have seen debates on the nature of Gothmog, lieutenant of Morgul. Now after careful research into the topic, I can guarantee that he was, in fact, a warg. Through this research, I have come across numerous ancient documents describing his rise to power, and his fall from it, It is interesting to note that after his fall from power, he became second in command at Pellanor. He had been in charge of all the armies of Mordor before that time, and it was, in fact, his throwing his stakes in with the losing side of the all-to-common, inter-orc squables that took place in Barad-dur that caused his fall. Two of the most prominent orc tribes in Mordor were invited to Barad-dur for a banquet of man-flesh and other cullinary delights, when a dispute arose among them. Many of the Nazgul, and even the future mouth of Sauron sided with one side, and gothmog sidede with the other. Needless to say with all the backstabbing that took placei n Sauron's court, they were able to hurt Gothmog's image, and ended up giving his position to the Witch King. But Gothmog still retained a lot of his authority. In fatc,Sauron himself knew about the intelligence of this warg. and refused to demote him any farther than he had to to keep his other subjsects loyal, but still gave him a lot of authority. It is also a little known fact that PJ knew about this story when he made his movie. If you notice a lyena in the fight for Minis Tirith? This is actually Gothmog, not the pink orc-thing that many normally think is Gothmog. Actually that pink thing only served as Gothmogs mouth peice, much like the MoS did for Sauron.