Werewolf IX: the Saga Owns You and You Know It - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kitanna · 09-04-2005, 11:50 AM

I would personally like to see something from Gil. He has been very quiet and the one post he had was rather pointless.

Holbytlass · 09-04-2005, 12:26 PM

I see a wagon of band coming through....

I see nothing wolfish of Wayne's teeth statement, for heaven's sake he's a dentist! And as for his lack of defence, well, I for one chalk it up to newness.
It seems to me that there are some who feel that The Phantom is the cobbler. So why are there villagers quick to say they are going to vote Wayne, a possible werecreature/anti-villager than The Phantom, a probable anti-villager at the very least?
Now I know this is going to land me in a muck pile, but I put this out there to make people think.

Glirdan · 09-04-2005, 12:31 PM

I see what you mean Holbytlass, it just seemes to me, as I'm sure it did to Wilwa and Alcarillo, that he sounded rather wolfish. But now you have me torn in mind for whom I will be voting for. I don't know whether I should vote for the phantom or Wayne. If Wayne is a wolf, he poses the greater threat than the Cobbler. I mean, what can the Cobbler do? He doesn't know who the werewolves are or who the werebear is, therefor, when he votes, he could be putting out one of those he would like to win. I'm still leaning towards voting for Wayne, but the phantom is now a possibility.

Kitanna · 09-04-2005, 12:43 PM

I agree with you, Holbytlass, at least about Wayne. I can say that I will defiantly not be voting for him today. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's new. Though should his lack of defense continue I will have to change my stance on him.

As for the phantom I think if he's gifted at all he's probably the cobbler and therefore does not need to be lynched yet. The cobbler isn't all that dangerous at the beginning of the game.

As of right now I do not know how to vote. It looks like I will pull a random name from the list and vote for them.

wilwarin538 · 09-04-2005, 12:44 PM

Well I don't think I will vote for the phantom, even though some think he is a cobbler. I think that he has some could ideas, and I think he could indeed help us. Even if he is the cobbler he is clueless about the identities of the Weres just as much as we are, so he isn't a threat. Now I'm not defending the cobbler, not at all, I just think that the phantom could have good ideas.

Quote:

Originally posted by Kath
There is just one thing that I would like to mention right now and that is this belief that having people who are loud in the village is so exceedingly important that we must not kill anyone who is able to make a sensible and seemingly helpful post of over three paragraphs. Now yes, it is important that we have people who can do this but what we have to beware of is that these people could be werewolves, the cobbler or the werebear. I am not saying lynch all the loud people, I just want everyone to realise that this is possible and that they should not be exempt from suspicion, and that 'I'm loud' is not a valid defence.

As Kath said, those who post a lot of valuable posts are better to keep around instead of a bunch of people who don't really participate. So I think we should keep phantom around, since the cobbler isn't a threat to us at this point any way. I think we should consintrate on the Wolves and the Bear. They are our main threats right now.

So unless I become suspicious of someone else, or Wayne actually posts something to defend himself, Wayne is probably who I will vote for.

EDIT:Cross posted with a few people: I supose I might have been a tad harsh about Wayne, he is new at this, as I was at one point, so I think I will back off of him a little. I just really wish he would at least try to defend himself. If he continues to post like this, then I will have to vote for him, though not toDAy most likely. Now I just don't know.

Holbytlass · 09-04-2005, 12:46 PM

Here's something else to muddy the waters....
If The Phantom is the cobbler, then he is double-bluffing. Reasonable enough, he's a smart guy BUT, then he is bluffing using a plan that whether his bluffing works or not will help the villagers and that is a very un-cobblerish thing to do.
To put it plainer, I think The Phantom is a helpful villager and Wayne the Goblin doesn't deserve our votes today.

But then who does?!....

ther's still time to gleen from what has been (or not been) posted.

Glirdan · 09-04-2005, 12:53 PM

I believe I will do as Kitanna is doing. I will give Wayne the benefit of the doubt. But, should he be accused once more and not come up witha reasonable deffence, I will be forced to vote for them, unless there is someone more likely. I'm not quite decided in mind, therefor, I might vote for Wayne. If there is anyone else now who should be considered, it would be Gil. He posted once, and hasn't said a thing since. We should be looking towards him now. The phantom is now exempt in my books and I will not be voting for him.

Kath · 09-04-2005, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Kath, both you and Shelob seem to want me to explain myself. May I ask why you suspect me?

My accusation of you at the beginning was completely random and based on nothing more than me looking at the list of names and choosing the three that jumped out at me. However, once I had picked you I realised that there were quite a few others that felt the same. It seemed odd that a lot of people would have the same suspicion and so I looked to you to explain or defend yourself so I would have more posts/words from you to use to make some kind of decision about you. So far this has not happened and so I am unable to decide whether I think you guilty or innocent. Does that answer your question?

Shelob · 09-04-2005, 12:55 PM

Quote:

I see nothing wolfish of Wayne's teeth statement, for heaven's sake he's a dentist!

I was probing for responses myself...and it was a rather strange thing to say, you think it wouldn't so much be his teeth as his practice that would suffer if he was so distraught at our loss...

...in any case I haven't seen much to make me want to vote for anyone. At best I'd say that the "Phantom as Cobbler", or the "SamwiseGamgee is hiding something" suggestions are the two possibilities with the most empirical (or as empirical as is possible) evidence for them, and even those are very probably ill-phrasing or paranoia induced readings. And then there are the people who haven't said/contributed enough for anyone to really consider them one way or the other...

Meneltarmacil, I just like responses, they're practically the only thing we've got to work with today. Add to that the fact I was just picking you because your name had come up the most at that point I feel yours and Alcarillo's points about those being "shots in the dark" based off your occupation are enough. Not enough to wipe you completely from my radar, but enough to keep me happy.

As it stands though I've got WaynetheGoblin, Meneltarmacil, Phantom and SamwiseGamgee all hovering high on my radar....most likely I'll vote for one of them.

Though speaking of voting I may have to do mine earlier than I should like, certainly too early for it to be the best of decisions, however as I've a little while yet before I must go care for my Llamas (I've decided to move them all into my house, that way I'll be able to guard them better) I'll wait, watch and think deeply about what to do with the little I have...

...Until then.

Alcarillo · 09-04-2005, 01:04 PM

Well, I don't think the phantom is guilty of anything. Menel is simply facing some anti-zookeeper-ism. Wayne is probably just a blundering new guy, although I might vote for him if nobody else comes along. Somebody must die today. I'd like a few more posts from those quiet people.

Glirdan · 09-04-2005, 01:11 PM

Quote:

I'd like a few more posts from those quiet people.

I quite agree Alcarillo. Where is Gil and Bergil to defend themselves? As it stands, I might vote for Wayne. I don't see any harm in Menel seeing as he is just the zoo-keeper and as you put it Alcarillo, he is just facing "anti-zookeeper-ism" and is most likely no harm to anyone and I really don't see any harm in Samwise either, but I may vote for him. He is another who needs to defend himself.

Holbytlass · 09-04-2005, 01:12 PM

Unless something hugely profound comes along and I seriously doubt it, this being the first day and all, I shall be voting for Bergil because he has said nothing and has not stated elsewhere that he wouldn't be able to and it has been 19 1/2 hours to at least make an appearance.

wilwarin538 · 09-04-2005, 01:16 PM

I agree Holby, I suppose Bergil is really the only choice we have. I will wait though before I vote, just in case.

Meneltarmacil · 09-04-2005, 12:40 PM

I don't really think lynching Wayne would really do a whole lot for us. I mean, yes it would get rid of his unhelpful posting, but I do not believe it will really help us track down the werebeasts. As for the phantom, it's kind of hard to tell exactly what he is from what he said. He is probably not a wolf unless he's double-bluffing, which I agree he is clever enough to do. He may be the Bear, using his post to try and convince us he's innocent, but I personally don't think there's enough evidence to say anything at this time.

Kath, both you and Shelob seem to want me to explain myself. May I ask why you suspect me?

09-04-2005, 11:50 AM	#1
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	I would personally like to see something from Gil. He has been very quiet and the one post he had was rather pointless. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain Last edited by Kitanna; 09-04-2005 at 11:52 AM. Reason: bold name

09-04-2005, 12:26 PM	#2
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	I see a wagon of band coming through.... I see nothing wolfish of Wayne's teeth statement, for heaven's sake he's a dentist! And as for his lack of defence, well, I for one chalk it up to newness. It seems to me that there are some who feel that The Phantom is the cobbler. So why are there villagers quick to say they are going to vote Wayne, a possible werecreature/anti-villager than The Phantom, a probable anti-villager at the very least? Now I know this is going to land me in a muck pile, but I put this out there to make people think. __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII

09-04-2005, 12:31 PM	#3
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	I see what you mean Holbytlass, it just seemes to me, as I'm sure it did to Wilwa and Alcarillo, that he sounded rather wolfish. But now you have me torn in mind for whom I will be voting for. I don't know whether I should vote for the phantom or Wayne. If Wayne is a wolf, he poses the greater threat than the Cobbler. I mean, what can the Cobbler do? He doesn't know who the werewolves are or who the werebear is, therefor, when he votes, he could be putting out one of those he would like to win. I'm still leaning towards voting for Wayne, but the phantom is now a possibility. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

09-04-2005, 12:43 PM	#4
Kitanna Child of the West Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn Posts: 2,132	curse grammer mistakes! I agree with you, Holbytlass, at least about Wayne. I can say that I will defiantly not be voting for him today. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's new. Though should his lack of defense continue I will have to change my stance on him. As for the phantom I think if he's gifted at all he's probably the cobbler and therefore does not need to be lynched yet. The cobbler isn't all that dangerous at the beginning of the game. As of right now I do not know how to vote. It looks like I will pull a random name from the list and vote for them. __________________ "Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain Last edited by Kitanna; 09-04-2005 at 12:47 PM.

09-04-2005, 12:46 PM	#6
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	Here's something else to muddy the waters.... If The Phantom is the cobbler, then he is double-bluffing. Reasonable enough, he's a smart guy BUT, then he is bluffing using a plan that whether his bluffing works or not will help the villagers and that is a very un-cobblerish thing to do. To put it plainer, I think The Phantom is a helpful villager and Wayne the Goblin doesn't deserve our votes today. But then who does?!.... ther's still time to gleen from what has been (or not been) posted. __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII

09-04-2005, 12:53 PM	#7
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	I believe I will do as Kitanna is doing. I will give Wayne the benefit of the doubt. But, should he be accused once more and not come up witha reasonable deffence, I will be forced to vote for them, unless there is someone more likely. I'm not quite decided in mind, therefor, I might vote for Wayne. If there is anyone else now who should be considered, it would be Gil. He posted once, and hasn't said a thing since. We should be looking towards him now. The phantom is now exempt in my books and I will not be voting for him. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

09-04-2005, 01:04 PM	#10
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	Well, I don't think the phantom is guilty of anything. Menel is simply facing some anti-zookeeper-ism. Wayne is probably just a blundering new guy, although I might vote for him if nobody else comes along. Somebody must die today. I'd like a few more posts from those quiet people.

09-04-2005, 01:12 PM	#12
Holbytlass Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Party Tree Posts: 1,042	Unless something hugely profound comes along and I seriously doubt it, this being the first day and all, I shall be voting for Bergil because he has said nothing and has not stated elsewhere that he wouldn't be able to and it has been 19 1/2 hours to at least make an appearance. __________________ Holby is an actual flesh-and-blood person, right? Not, say a sock-puppet of Nilp’s, by any chance? ~Nerwen, WWCIII

09-04-2005, 01:16 PM	#13
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	I agree Holby, I suppose Bergil is really the only choice we have. I will wait though before I vote, just in case. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin Last edited by wilwarin538; 09-04-2005 at 01:16 PM. Reason: bold name

09-04-2005, 12:40 PM	#14
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	I don't really think lynching Wayne would really do a whole lot for us. I mean, yes it would get rid of his unhelpful posting, but I do not believe it will really help us track down the werebeasts. As for the phantom, it's kind of hard to tell exactly what he is from what he said. He is probably not a wolf unless he's double-bluffing, which I agree he is clever enough to do. He may be the Bear, using his post to try and convince us he's innocent, but I personally don't think there's enough evidence to say anything at this time. Kath, both you and Shelob seem to want me to explain myself. May I ask why you suspect me? __________________ I ♣ baby seals.