The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

This makes so much sense. And on first impression, it appears to be yet another case of the Wargs being treated with naught but disdain by the authors of the Red Book.

See the painstaking description of the Nazgûl all throughout the book. Witness the bone-chilling introduction of the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gate. Yet Gothmog is treated as an afterthought. How could this be the case were tradition correct and Gothmog was to be thought of as a Ringwraith or a Black Númenórean? It is still possible that Gothmog was an Orc, but I doubt this greatly. Gothmog was a Warg and once again we have to face this harsh reality: that Wargs are slowly but surely being eliminated from history.

It makes me crumple with despair; and boil with fury.

Great work arcticstorm!

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

This makes so much sense. And on first impression, it appears to be yet another case of the Wargs being treated with naught but disdain by the authors of the Red Book.

See the painstaking description of the Nazgûl all throughout the book. Witness the bone-chilling introduction of the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gate. Yet Gothmog is treated as an afterthought. How could this be the case were tradition correct and Gothmog was to be thought of as a Ringwraith or a Black Númenórean? It is still possible that Gothmog was an Orc, but I doubt this greatly. Gothmog was a Warg and once again we have to face this harsh reality: that Wargs are slowly but surely being eliminated from history.

It makes me crumple with despair; and boil with fury.

Great work arcticstorm!

One has to wonder though...

Are all cases the work of the evil Anti-Warg group?

Could there not be some cases in which the Wargs themselves have suppressed the true history? After all, if Gothmog of Morgul really was a Warg, would the Wargs want this to be known? After all, there are enough people Warg-bashing without adding fuel to the fire. Perhaps the Wargs have themselves worked to hide Gothmog's true story. After all, Wargs are not tame creatures...

[SamwiseGamgee]

That is a possibility, Form. I myself have started a false rumour on a rival thread regarding Gothmog. Why, you may ask? Well, exactly as has been suggested: we are able to understand Wargs here at The Thread, but those Warg-bashers are just waiting to pounce. Pesky scum!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

But such a magnificent captain and fearsome warrior is worthy of recognition, even if he did use his powers for evil. What do the True Wargs think of this?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But such a magnificent captain and fearsome warrior is worthy of recognition, even if he did use his powers for evil. What do the True Wargs think of this?

Who can say? Wargs are such mysterious creatures that I felt called upon to put forth another, quite plausible, suggestion concerning this matter, but I am as ignorant of the fantastic goings-on of a Warg's mind as any of us...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

(Many thanks to Ms. Bêthberry for the suggestion.)

We could rewrite parts of the legendarium to tell the true tale, including references to Wargs, and possibly the mysterious Hares.

Or . . . maybe we should drop the Hare part, as this is a thread about Wargs.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

We could rewrite parts of the legendarium to tell the true tale, including references to Wargs, and possibly the mysterious Hares.

Or . . . maybe we should drop the Hare part, as this is a thread about Wargs.

Hares?

Surely thou jest, Milord Felagund! What part in such a great tale have creatures such as hares? For all that Rivendell may have been overrun with madly named, long eared beasts of the hare-y persuasion, their part in the destruction of the One Ring and the overthrow of Sauron can surely merit no more a mention in the Red Book, corrected or otherwise, than that of the fox in "Three is Company". Less mention, perhaps, for the fox is a discerning creature curious about the goings on of the world around him, whereas Elmerf and all of his ilk are completely wrapped up in their own, ridiculous, politics and intrigues.

Wargs, on the other hand, although maligned and mistreated by historians, played great parts in the War, as befits the noblest of Eru's creatures. Those some turned traitor it can never be said that their part in the goings on of those times were anything but grand and far-reaching. The hares, by dint of their entire species, could no more have changed the course of the war by hopping in unison against the armies of Mordor- and it is demonstable that they did not- whereas a single Warg, even one turned to evil (if Gothmog be one), by the very reason of his presence on the battlefield, merited a mention in the great history, even though that history be written by those of most anti-Warg persuasions.

Even those who hate the Wargs, who hide their true history, who present the vile Lyenas as true Wargs, who have done their best to either erase the Warg from history or to malign their acts, will admit that a Warg is, if naught else, a great and dangerous creature. But even the most devoted of hare-fans, even the most maniacally deranged of the chroniclers of Elmerf, even the most Bambi-loving nature hugger cannot say any more about Elmerf's role in the War of the Ring than that he was Legolas' rabbit.

I rest my case. There is no need for a society devoted to the Wargs to even contemplate a look into the "histories" that are the self-centred journals of Elmerf and his sorry ilk.

~Wargfully yours,

Warg Scholar - Michael A. Joosten~