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Old 09-04-2005, 01:39 PM   #1
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Boots I fear we are starting to repeat ourselves.

Most Hated Part: Practically the whole Two Towers.

More specifically...

The Fellowship of the Ring: This was by far my favorite of the three. The alterations in this movie were (for the most part) at least reasonably explicable. I still don't understand why Jackson had to make Gandalf the one who was afraid to go to Moria rather than the one who inspired it. The more I see it I am also getting less and less impressed with Jackson's interpretation of the Nazgul. He made them really buffoonish and ineffectual. The part where they are literally riding right on top of the hobbits and can't seem to catch them is really hard to swallow. Of course, on the other hand, Tolkien said that the Nazgul had no great power over the fearless, but still... He also took a page out of Bakshi's movie and turned the Council of Elrond into the Council of Babel (or rather Babble). Galadriel: need I say more?

Oh yes, and the winged (and oversized) Balrog.

Other than these things I found the movie to be pretty enjoyable.

The Two Towers: There is not enough time for me to say all the things that I hated about this movie. Even standing on its own without any reference to Tolkien's work (which I believe is how the script was written) I don't think this movie is any good. Most of the changes were utterly senseless and sabotaged the plot. Even in the midst of all this wreckage, there are a few monstrous warts that stand out for abuse. The entire sequence from the time Theoden decided to go to Helm's Deep until the battle begins is just awful, awful, awful. I don't find there to be a single enjoyable (or even coherent) moment in this bit until the fighting blessedly starts. Then, thankfully, all the annoying pointy-ears die (a just fate for having horned into the plot where they don't belong). The entire sequence from the time Faramir captures Frodo and Sam until the end of the movie is just awful, awful, awful. We witness the savaging of not only Faramir's character but Frodo and Sam become deceitful little sneaks (no wonder Faramir was so suspicious of them). We are also treated to more ineffectual blundering by the Nazgul. Osgiliath: need I say more?

A minor thing, but one that annoyed me, was that Grishnakh and his band were from Isengard and not Mordor.

The Return of the King: I have a fairly positive opinion of this movie, although part of it is probably that it is so much better than The Two Towers. King Elessar the Bloodthirsty Maniac has already received the flogging that is his due. Then there is the Anduril thing. The whole Witch-king vs. Gandalf sequence was just terrible. I was also not too happy with the way Denethor and Gondor's "war preparations" were portrayed. Every time that Gandalf is riding to safety shouting "Get the women and children out!!!" makes me want to scream. I was also not happy that the Orcs broke into two or three levels of the city. This also relates to my disdain for the WK vs. Gandalf bout. I realize Jackson was trying to amp the tension, but once the orcs broke through I found the tension was shattered and the disappointment of defeat set in. It would have been much better to have the confrontation that is in the book. Frodo and Sam and Gollum: need I say more?

I was also passingly annoyed by that inane speech by Gandalf about how "death comes to us all." Well, in Middle-earth, no it doesn't. Gandalf himself only came to it by happenstance not biological imperative.

On the whole, I think most of the problems I have with Jackson's movies stem from his inability to break away from his horror film background and his compulsion to try to cram as much drama into scenes as possible to the point they become unbelievable and almost laughable (several instances of this with the Nazgul).
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Old 09-04-2005, 06:01 PM   #2
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First off, I am not bashing & neither is anyone else so please nobody ask us to stop bashing.

Had to get that out of the way.

Things that I 'stongly disliked' (hate may be too strong a word)

Fellowship of the Ring: Uhhhh. Nothing that I couldn't get over.

Two Towers: Faramir has been redeemed a great deal, IMO, but I still dislike the changes that were made (yes I see why, no I still don't like it). I also greatly dislike Aragorn's 'death' scene. You know, it really would've been fitting if Viggo Mortenson had died during the filming of that scene-than PJ would've seen that the scene really wasn't worth making up.

Return of the King: Denethor's incompetence (sorry Meela ). Frodo sending Sam away (yes I see why, no I still don't like it). Like mormegil, the Mouth of Sauron getting beheaded. An uncharacteristicly unwise move, even for Movie Aragorn.
And another small thing that irked me-you can clearly see that Frodo's finger is only doubled-back when Gollum 'bites it off' in Mount Doom. Do I expect them to really hack off Elijah Wood's finger? No. I do expect the editors to earn their paychecks, though.

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Every time that Gandalf is riding to safety shouting "Get the women and children out!!!" makes me want to scream.
Personally I wondered why in the world the women & children weren't moved to a higher level until the orcs broke through.

There are probably a few more things, but on the whole I got over most of my dislikes & disappointments.
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Old 09-05-2005, 03:21 AM   #3
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we've been through this bashing (and yes it is bashing) before, so I won't reply to the points raised above as this has been done many times before.

the only part I really HATE in the movies is the bit in TT when the rohan woman is sending her daughter and child away on the horse to safety. This is a pure 'Hollywood' moment of the film. (what is it she says, 'I will find you'?), and the close up of the kids crying. It really is vomit enducing, and hauls me right 'out' of the film and back into reality. Much as the moments where we see Jackson or his kids appear in the movies (not that I hate these parts it's just that you get dragged back to the real world for a moment and relaise that you're watching a movie, and think about it in that way)

but really, all in all, the point above is the only part of the movie I actually HATE. I dislike others, yes, but I can get over them. Now, if I could teach my DVD player not to play these few seconds of the movie then all would be fine and dandy.
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Old 09-05-2005, 10:16 AM   #4
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Where the Harry Potter movies screwed up, you say? Well...let me get out my list

*Pulls out 12 foot long list, with writing in size 4 font*

...wait...this isn't for Harry Potter? oh wells. For LOTR though, I would have liked to see Tom Bombadil. But he's just one of my favorites, so i guess i'm biased
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Old 09-05-2005, 10:28 AM   #5
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I prefer to enjoy the films rather than letting any aspects of them spoil my enjoyment.

Even the Hyena-Lemmings ...
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Old 09-05-2005, 12:13 PM   #6
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Now, I think I am able to tolerate most of the annoying parts of the movie except for two things. One is Arwen, and I asure you that this dislike is not due to me liking Aragorn a lot-this is an understatement but it does not matter- because I very much admire Arwen from the books. But Arwen in the movie is truly impossible especially in FOTR when she comes puting her knife to Aragorn's throat and asking silly questions. I really hate that scene, it is so unlike LOTR and I am sure Tolkien would have hated it too. The second thing is, of course, the Mouth of Sauron. I mean if the descendant of Luthien attacks a messenger for no reason then what is to be expected from those of lesser ancestry?
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Old 09-05-2005, 01:58 PM   #7
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Whenever Gimli is turned into the butt of all the jokes! Poor lad!

Messing about with the Faramir storyline.

Dragging out the whole approach and build up to the Battle of Helm's Deep by having bizarre side stories with Aragorn falling off cliffs.


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It could have been worse though, as I am now picturing Nazgul riding fell beasts, wielding Flymos.
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