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Old 09-17-2005, 11:16 PM   #1
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Also, notice how Perky Doesn't deny his(?) chance of being a werebeast. If he(?) knew himself(?) to be innocent why would he(?) include himself in the list?...though it is too early to be drawing any conclusions from anything.
Perky's list goes in order of who posted first to last. If he had left himself off the list suspicions of him would have gone up. However keeping himself on can mean a) he's innocent and he's confident in that or b) he's a wolf trying to make us think "well, he put him self on the suspect list, surely he's not a wolf". However I find no reason to truly suspect Perky, not yet anyway. I'd rather hear from others before passing judgement on anyone.

EDIT: Rereading Perky's list it appears the first three are in order. Well, it doesn't matter. The point is everyone who posted is on that list and why would Perky leave himself out?
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Old 09-17-2005, 11:42 PM   #2
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"Your faire idea is a bad one. Bringing in innocents from outside the town, it'll be sure death for them. Why tempt the wolves even further?"

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Yes, I think we've all established that having the fair is a bad idea.
You silly, silly people. If we had a faire and brought in some more innocent people that would drastically improve our chances and virtually guarantee a villager victory. (It would also improve my revenue flow, but that's neither here nor there).

But since everyone thinks it is such a bad idea...

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I think it would be too suspicios for all three wolves to not participate. Though I think atleast one (probably two) are hiding in the quiet crowd. And the other is one who has joined us.
To contradict what I said earlier (although this comment is also really nothing more than grist for the mill at the moment)...

I have heard it said that werewolves can be in a state of some excitement when they begin their killing spree. They can sometimes tend to run about the village interacting with their intended victims hoping to throw them off the scent. Essentially they can be some of the most vocal villagers.

Now that things seem to have picked up a little bit of speed, I'd advocate taking a hard look at the people in this room with us. One (and maybe even two) of them is almost certainly a werewolf.
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:18 AM   #3
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At that moment-just as Kuru unveiled his cunning theory-there was a slight distraction up at the Tinsel Bank. There was a smash of broken glass, a sound of a flailing blackjack, and the voice of the banker could be heard begging for mercy. Normally, this would have been a masterstroke of stealth; but with the villagers all huddled close by, it failed somewhat, and an angry mob of Tinsellers charged to the defence of their meagre accounts. They were just in time; they found the banking staff trussed to the walls, and a rangy, thin, man with sparkiling, untrustworthy eyes, a knife, and a bag containing the village's savings, about to mount a weary looking horse. He wore a cloak of some unspecified grey furry material; he liked to boast it was werewolf, but the disappearance of a local stray dog made that claim rather unlikely. This was Anguirel, self-appointed Gaurwaith; and now he was regretting his publicity.

"Er...greetings, friends," he muttered. "I was just...er..planning to redistribute funds for, er, the town's defence. Honest." He was as honest and true as a black rat...

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Well, thankyou very much. I attempt to be public spirited and you confiscate my hard earned goods. No, I haven't a clue who the wolves are, though give me a quart of yon whisky and might get some ideas...
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Old 09-18-2005, 02:06 AM   #4
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*splash* *thud* *creak*

*Spawn entered Boromir's Café smelling even worse than the phantom after umpteen pints and looked around.*

Ahem, sorry I'm late. I bought a canister of petrol and spent the whole morning trying to find a gas tank from my riksha... Yeah, laugh if you want but it's tough work to cycle all days transporting people and stuff around the village. I'd be very pleased if someone invented a two-phase motor already. In other words: if you want to get up 1:55 AM, it's fine but let me sleep late.

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Don't rush to vote- and certainly do not band-wagon (in other words, don't let one person get all the votes).
I agree completely. I'd just like to remind you that there's a difference between voting with a majority because you really think someone's quilty and voting with a majority because everyone else is doing so.

So, I guess it's time to start analyzing posts, theories and reactions.

Márcolië doesn't really say anything in her two first posts. In her third post she just agrees with Perky that there are people who have not posted yet. She says that those people aren't helping enough. How have you helped, my dear? At this point you hadn't come forth with any theories.

Márcolië posts often but says very little and she's being very careful. Look at her last post, for example. First Márcolië says something but then she starts to hesitate. There's no need to be so shy to make some solid arguments.
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Also, notice how Perky Doesn't deny his(?) chance of being a werebeast. If he(?) knew himself(?) to be innocent why would he(?) include himself in the list?... though it is too early to be drawing any conclusions from anything.
I think that's rather obvious, don't you think?

Now, I'd like to have something to eat. And by drawing conclusions from your faces, I should wash this reek of petrol away.
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Old 09-18-2005, 02:46 AM   #5
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Cailín had been quiet up till now. Not only had the death of poor Wilwa disturbed her greatly, she also preferred listening to what the others were saying – expecting that sooner or later, she might catch one of her fellow villagers making a Freudian slip. Alas, no one had complained about sudden shaving problems just yet.

Her little notebook – the one people assumed she used to write down their orders in – was already filled with interesting notes and scribbling about the regular customers. After all, it was quite a shock to find the phantom sober after all this time – he must be afraid, somehow, he might say too much if he were to behave in his usual fashion. Also, Boromir had lately denied her a pay raise, so there was definitely something evil going on there – but maybe it was just greediness, which is not merely a wolfish flaw.

With a desperate shrug, she decided that if nothing else, she could always get everyone as drunk as possible. There was bound to be a wolf who could not hold his (or her) liquor.

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Old 09-18-2005, 05:11 AM   #6
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"Indeed Boro, I'll happily keep an eye on the phantom. I caught him swimming in my pond once when he'd had too many ales."

But the phantom's transition to sobriety was genuine. Despite several hours in the cafe, he showed no signs of inebriation.

"Now, I have no wish to attack Kuru simply because of the faire. Many of us here have odd professions. And I agree that it would be unwise to lynch him on a first day when we've nothing to go on but random accusations. I believe the best strategy is to try and stir up some response from our quieter villagers. Like I said, silence just gives the beasties cover, and we want them to talk until they give us enough to find them.

And I don't find anything all that strange in Perky's list. He knows we all suspect each other and his list was meant to demonstrate Boro's theory of who could be a wolf, which would of course include him.

Now, to stir things up a bit..."

Celuien picked up her willow wand, closed her eyes, and turned three times.

"Ah ha, I've found you! Explain yourself!"

But the wand pointed to nothingness. She opened her eyes to a chorus of laughter. Disgusted, she tossed the rod aside and peered over the room to find one who seemed to laugh louder than the rest.

"Gil-Galad! You've said little enough since we've been here, other than to bother Kitanna. And why is this so amusing? Is it because the wand should have found you and you're gloating over my failure?"
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:25 AM   #7
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*coughs and addresses Celuien in smart-*** manner*

"Celuien, you seem so wise, telling everybody to speak up so the wolves cannot hide behind silence. Yet, if we all start yelling at each other, as innocents, it is far easier for the wolves to hide. When you are crying out, trying to get as much said as possible, it's far easier for the wolves to find something they can use against you, than when you stay silent and only say those things that make sense.

I'm not saying we should all remain silent and not discuss these matters, for we seem to be in serious trouble here. But you are wrong in presuming that we can only save our village by babbling. Quiet reflection and the right words at the right time can be helpful as well, maybe even more helpful sometimes, for the wolves will have no big words and long speeches to hide behind.

You can hardly hide behind silence. It is quite empty and transparent. It is far easier to hide behind the words of the innocents."

*pours another glass of wine*

"Well, at least Gil hasn't drastically changed because of this recent tragedy. Which might be suspicious. Or not."
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:25 AM   #8
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Lalaith awoke, rubbed her eyes, adjusted her navel-jewel and did a few stretches and flik-flaks to get ready for the day. That was a late night that slave-driver Kuruharan forced her to work - some banquet or other for his dubious business contacts.
Let no-one think the life of a girl acrobat was a glamorous one.

Where was everyone? Down at Boromir's cafe, getting drunk - at this hour? Since she'd arrived in town with the fair, Lalaith had been under the impression it was a fairly strait-laced kind of place, full of decent, hard-working types. Not like some places she'd seen.
Listening to the febrile discussions taking place, she realised the full horror of the night's events. Her shock was so great, her navel-jewel fell out, clattering to the floor and rolling under a table unseen. Poor Wilwarin, who had been so kind - she'd been helping her develop a new balancing routine, working out weight distribution with mathematical formulae.
Lalaith listened carefully to the discussions that had been taking place while she slept. She'd knocked around a few places and thought herself a good judge of character. But good enough to spot a werebeast?
Who was trying to lead opinion, to take the lead? Some will have the villagers' best interests at heart, others, maybe not. There's that sot of a Phantom, cleaning himself up like that and handing out advice to all and sundry. Then Perky Ent seemed a little bit, well, too perky for such a sombre occasion. And what of her boss Kuruharan - she knew he was a swine to work for but could he be a wolf in pig's clothing?
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:43 AM   #9
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"Yes, Cailín, and I'm not saying as there isn't a time for reflection. And there's nothing wrong with being careful, choosing only to speak when there's something important to be said. And I'm not saying that I won't do just that. What I mean is that we've all got to come out with some ideas and force the wolves to do the same so that at least it gives us something to go on to find them. Even if visibility gives them a way to attack an innocent, at least the attack gives the others something to go on too. Who led or bandwagoned against a vocal and potentially wolf-endangering innocent? As opposed to charging against a quieter villager, which doesn't give us as much information to analyze since it's harder to figure out motives behind the choice. I'm willing to take the chance of being accused and, yes, even lynched, if it gives us something to go after the wolves on.

Nor am I saying that we should all just go about accusing each other and shouting for attention. I just want us all to think hard and try to figure on what's happened.

A glass of wine, please."
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Old 09-18-2005, 11:02 AM   #10
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Márcolië doesn't really say anything in her two first posts. In her third post she just agrees with Perky that there are people who have not posted yet. She says that those people aren't helping enough. How have you helped, my dear? At this point you hadn't come forth with any theories.
Yes, I have not yet helped the village. I look forward to being able to do so, and will try to now that they is more to reflect upon. I hope, and will do whatever I can to help my esteemed neighbors catch the fiends amoung us friends.


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Márcolië posts often but says very little and she's being very careful. Look at her last post, for example. First Márcolië says something but then she starts to hesitate. There's no need to be so shy to make some solid arguments. I think that's rather obvious, don't you think?
I would see more with that argument if it had not been about midnight as I was making these posts . The inability to sleep combined with the lack of sleep caused my brain to think in extremely hard to understand and vocalize ways.


Upon the fact of those I'd like to see more Zali, Wayne, and Gil come to mind. Silence in itself is suspicious.

Though I feel Zali not posting would be too risky of a strategy for a wolf, so I feel she isn't the one to lynch...especially since there is nothing against her yet.

I have no ideas yet upon who I should be suspicious of. We are all going to be suspicious of each other until this dies out, but hopefully we'll manage to catch the wolves in the act.

Sorry this has nothing much in it, but I think I'm going to give up and switch computers because I just almost lost everything I typed again.
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Old 09-18-2005, 11:07 AM   #11
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"Me cother de cotheri deri Gadi." indeed! We are all secretly Gadi inside. For some reason, the three people that are on "everyone's" to-do list (Gil, Wayne, Azalea), are those which I do not suspect. They just seem too low for the radar. These werewolves will probably want to get in good with the town, so less people suspect them. For example, imagine if Kuruharan, Phantom, and Boromir were the wolves! Imagine! I'm not trying to insinuate anything, i'm just saying that the werewolves (in my opinion) will have one loud speaker, a moderate speaker, and a moderate/quiet speaker.
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"I'd rather not imagine that Perky my friend. It is to horrible to think. But I agree with the fact that Gil, Zali and Wayne are probably innocent, but we can't dimiss the fact that they have barely (or in Zali's case) or not posted at all. It is still possible that they are the wolves." Glirdan said. He then turned to Cailin, but she wasn't there. "She must be around back" Glirdan thought. "I'll just call to her." "Oh Cailin!!! Could you get me another one of those cocktails or perhaps something stronger!?!?"
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Old 09-18-2005, 11:23 AM   #13
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For example, imagine if Kuruharan, Phantom, and Boromir were the wolves! Imagine!
That would be scary... not that this isn't currently, but with all three of them managing to be those we seem to be trusting most at this moment.


Reading through everything again, only suspicious post I have found was:
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I'm going to keep myself out of theories and possibilities, and mourn Wilwa like a sister.
It just seems too un-helpful to keep out of theories, because every theory may have some value. What we least expect may be what's going on, and everyone helping look out for things will help weed out, or at least list, more theories to help us rid ourselves of those wrongdoers in the town. The only reason to be doing so is so not to cast even more confusion upon us. ...it is almost too out there saying look I'm not posting for a wolf, but an innocent wouldn't have a reason to do so at all because we can't go farther down now except losing even more of our villagers to these evil fiends. Any ideas from an innocent's mind could help us extremely later on.
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:25 AM   #14
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Thank you for explaining Kitanna! Márcolië Lamen,
A) I'm a he
B) It was a list of the people who have posted and could be werewolves. And, like Kitanna said, if I didn't include myself in that list, it's practically saying "Perky Ent - Not a werewolf, so don't worry about looking into him. Just keep the thought out of your mind, and focus on everyone but him". I might as well wear a T-shirt that says "Lynch me, Please!"

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You silly, silly people. If we had a faire and brought in some more innocent people that would drastically improve our chances and virtually guarantee a villager victory. (It would also improve my revenue flow, but that's neither here nor there).
All about the money, eh Kuru? But putting that aside for now, can you explain the logic in bringing more innocents into Tinseltown? I don't know if you realize this, but the less villagers, the better your chances (probability wise, at least) of finding a wolf. It means innocents will die, and wolves can pick people off during the confusion. I do believe your last faire generated quite some revenue. Have you drained it already? I find your attitude to this whole matter rather suspicious. But I won't start trying to piece anything together until later, when we can put aside the mourning, and start to seek the truth
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Sa-ha, buckoes...allow me divululllul-hic-ge...divulg...er...tell the secrets of crime lore. Takes one to know one! This Gaurwaith's techniques may help ye find the Gaurhoth...though mind that once the werewolves hear them, they may try to contradict them.

After I poignarded Red Fingers, the Elvenking's shirriffs and what have you were running around looking for the killer. Now they ran across me a dozen times; and I didn't risk anything. I could've told 'em Grendelgurd the Hairy did it, but then, if they thought old Grendy was innocent, they would've strung me up, wouldn't they?

So I just kept myself out of theories and possibilities, and I mourned Fingers like a brother. Ahem...that said, I'm going to keep myself out of theories and possibilities, and mourn Wilwa like a sister.

You see, when Fingers bought it, there was jist the Elvenking's police to contend with. This time...the claw of the Dark Lord is here as well as the arm of the Law. I'm scared. But what I'm saying is, don't go for the accusers, nehhh. By and large, go for the seconders, make decisions without showing feeling. In my book, they'll be the ones with whiskers.
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But putting that aside for now, can you explain the logic in bringing more innocents into Tinseltown? I don't know if you realize this, but the less villagers, the better your chances (probability wise, at least) of finding a wolf. It means innocents will die, and wolves can pick people off during the confusion.
*Ahem*

Because it would give us more outs. Don't you see that the fewer villagers there are the closer the werewolves are to victory? As DAYS go by it will (hopefully) become apparent who the werewolves are. Hopefully we will not be in a tremendous state of confusion. However, even if we were, having more villagers would give us more material to work with.

Now, on to real business...


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I agree completely. I'd just like to remind you that there's a difference between voting with a majority because you really think someone's quilty and voting with a majority because everyone else is doing so.
Bravo! Whatever happens lets not have people voting for somebody just because others are doing so. One should be convinced by the evidence. (The problem on DAY ONE is that there is no evidence).

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"Gil-Galad! You've said little enough since we've been here, other than to bother Kitanna.
Hmm...I too have thought his behavior a bit strange. However, I almost always think his behavior a bit strange. He's been acting acting a bit like a wolf, but I don't know if that means he's a werewolf. He does need watching.

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There is one problem, that could also be a vigorous villager wishing to help out for the good of the village.
This is true. I would hope that us innocent villagers would have some solid substance to their statements (hint-hint all us villagers).

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I completely agree with this.
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I completely agree with this.
Well then.

*serves Gil, Wayne and Marcolie another mug of ale*

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