Werewolf X: The One Saga to Rule them All!

[Kuruharan]

1) Wolves cannot pm during the day, so there's no way Eonwe and I could have coordinated the double post.
2) I VOTED FIRST!! I was not the one who caused the tie. You should look at Eonwe more than me.
3) Didn't you notice that I was trying to SAVE THE SEER??

Look back at my vote. When I voted, the strategic choice was between Perky and Cailin. I said that I flipped a coin to choose, but in reality I suspected (as you did) that Perky was the seer, and so I did not want to vote for him. THAT is why I chose Cailin.
-the phantom post 163

Yes, yes, yes. But all that does not say this could not have been an attempt by you to be seen voting but at the same time throw your vote away. At the time Cailin didn’t look too likely to catch another vote. I don’t think it likely both you and Eonwe would be wolves (which I said) but the remote possibility is something to keep in mind (which I also said). There could have been a misunderstanding or mistake. If you were a wolf you may not have been totally sure that Perky was the Seer and wanted to wait until NIGHT. But these are just possibilities. I mentioned them as possibilities (in fact my possibilities can’t all be true). And I still think people should keep this in mind.

There was absolutely NO REASON for Perky to mention Glirdan, so why in the world would a seer say something NEGATIVE about someone who he supposedly knew to be INNOCENT??

That doesn't make sense.

-and-

That is an extremely concrete defense. Perky even says he has an "INNER FEELING".

I think Perky dreamed about Azalia.
-the phantom post 163

Hmmm…I suppose it is possible. However, Perky said Glirdan appeared “hostile.” That is hardly a ringing condemnation. He could have also been attempting to tone down his rhetoric in an effort to save himself. Perky was also just echoing a lot of what, well…I had said.

However, at the moment I’m not looking at Zali, so for practical purposes it does not really matter.

I'm not sure if voting behavior is something we should think strongly on. While voting behavior may be a strong determinant in who is a wolf and who isn't later down the road. Yesterday's voting seemed more random.
-Boromir88 post 164

I disagree. I think yesterDAY’s voting is going to prove to be important. However, it is good to have people approaching it from different directions, so we can just agree to disagree.

sorry guys for not posting, i've had an, how you say, eventful day, me almost commiting suicide and all, but i'm just here to say that i'm an odrinary villager, but i feel it will be best that i leave


++Gil-Galad
post 169

Well…I believe I said he would need to do something strange even for him. This probably qualifies. I wonder if he could be attempting to cover for somebody else. Of course, if he is we still need to get rid of him.

After reading the quotes I posted, wouldn't you agree?
-the phantom post 171

No. It doesn’t necessarily follow. It just means things are more difficult because there can be no real consensus on who Perky dreamed about. But as I said before, at the moment it does not really matter.

However, Cailin was proven not to be a wolf, so I was not a wolf voting for a wolf.

Really…I must say…patting yourself on the back for killing an innocent. Isn’t that a bit much?!

(hint: I know the phantom will understand, but for other people that was a little joke.)

You see, Kuru has seen me in other WW villages before, and he knows that I am the type who, if attacked during the day, can turn the lynch mob around right onto the person who went after me. A wolf wouldn't want to take that risk.
-the phantom post 171

Really? I thought you were the type of person who ran away quickly and then drank copious quantities of alcohol afterwards.

I've been in a similar position myself and it's jolly awkward when it happens.
Lalaith post 173

I bet.

Oh and Kuru: so my posts were "marvels of non-substance", were they?
-Lalaith post 173

Yes and this one is too.

Lalaith – a clever girl who voted for the seer. Very suspicious.
Lalaith post 175

Amen.

I personally think at least one and maybe two wolves voted yesterday. In fact one is almost a given because of statistical necessity.

Also, I do hope that an unreasoning Gil-Galad bandwagon does not develop. That would ultimately not tell us very much even if he is a wolf. We need some healthy debate where everything you say can and will be used against you later.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

And here I thought that we don't have a Cobbler in this Village...

Something more insightful coming up as soon as possible.

[Anguirel]

I have decided to attempt to apply the wisdom of the renowned Elvish philosophers, Socrates, Plato and Rene of the House of Descartes. For a no-good outlaw I'm well-educated, you know. My father fought in the Nirnaeth and I attended a top notch Dor-Lomin public school...

*The villagers recall the time when Anguirel claimed to be a collateral descendant of Beren Erchamion, boasted that he'd kissed Luthien eighteen times, etc etc. This rubbish about his education is pretty mediocre on the scale of his fibbery. What is a philosopher anyway? He's been at the whisky again.*

Anyway, I start with what I know for certain. Ergo, that I, Glirdan, and Cailin are innocent and that the Perky Ent was our Seer.

I then make questions based on that.

One thing I notice in this particular thought experiment is that Marcolie was, early in Day 1, garnering suspicion for posts thin on substance, and a rather obtuse and strained criticism of the Perky Ent for including himself on a suspect list. This opinion against her died away after she distracted attention with a series of cogent attacks on me-also largely for the crime of substanceless opinions, earlier levelled at herself.

Thus I know she has accused two of the four innocents I know of, on shaky grounds. My defensive thoughts are naturally forming against her

On the other hand, my other accuser, Cailin, was innocent; but she accused me, as she herself wittily admitted, more of robbery et al. than of lupine murder...

Yes, all in all I am inclined to add Marcolie Lamen to my list, even as my doubts about Eonwe wane slightly.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

One thing I notice in this particular thought experiment is that Marcolie was, early in Day 1, garnering suspicion for posts thin on substance, and a rather obtuse and strained criticism of the Perky Ent for including himself on a suspect list. This opinion against her died away after she distracted attention with a series of cogent attacks on me-also largely for the crime of substanceless opinions, earlier levelled at herself.

Thus I know she has accused two of the four innocents I know of, on shaky grounds. My defensive thoughts are naturally forming against her

Yes, all in all I am inclined to add Marcolie Lamen to my list, even as my doubts about Eonwe wane slightly.

My critism of Perky had been focused to just notice every detail and begin discussion. Nobody had posted anything of substance yet and I was trying to engage debate hoping that ideas would come out of it. Once he was defended I did agree with all those saying it was right of him to include himself in such the way he did. Because of this I hadn't made any more posts upon it and since nobody else did, it died out. I didn't feel I needed to just agree with what they'd been saying because it'd just be repetative and un-helpful.

upon my accusation of you, Anguirel it is more because you had said straight out, as I realized, that you'd let others do the work. After you didn't vote, you can't but note that its suspicious action.

I would like to hear a defense from you on this, and until I do I can't declare yourself anywhere below I have placed you. Would you please defend yourself?

I know I am an innocent, but if Anguirel is also, I agree that my actions would appear suspicious. But then again, every action in a village cursed as we are is suspicious in some way, shape, or form.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I regret to announce that I can't say anything really insightful right now although I promised (and Kuru: I'm sorry, it just took time to reread the whole thread through carefully). Here are some thoughts.

When this tragedy began, there was much babbling about how horrible Wilwa's fate was etc. Kuru and Celuien were the first people to say something strategically helpful.

Kitanna is a mystery to me. She doesn't really say anything in her three first posts. Then she shares some thoughts but there's always that "on the other hand..." which is handy because you can't hold her opinions agains her because, in fact, she really hasn't any. Sometimes Kitanna seems sincere but she is clever enough to hide her sharp claws if she has them.

Gil is causing me a headache. He says very little but it's hard to tell if he's just being himself.

Originally Posted by Gil

many forgiveness for my quietness, i totally forgot about this thread

At least he should go to see a doctor... Who would have thought that so young a boy could have dementia. I don't know what to do with Gil but just for the future, if people want to kill themselves here, we should probably let them do so.

Wayne, well, he's another silent fellow.

Originally Posted by Wayne

I will pobely vote for hin [Glirdan] later.He is one of the biggist posters on this thread.

Huh?

I said not long ago I would vote for glirden and I will ++GLIRDEN He posted alot and now he is not posting at all.

I don't understand his reasoning.

Oh, to avoid inconvenient cross posting, open a new window and check if someone has posted here while you have been typing or something but no more accidental double lynchings, please.

[Eonwe]

point taken

[Celuien]

Wayne's consistent unhelpfulness and lack of logical explanation is getting bothersome. However, I'm not ready to vote for him. I'd almost think that if he were a wolf, his furry colleagues would have coached him during their nightly conferences so as to make him a less obvious target. At this point, I'd only vote for him if there were no better wolf candidates and/or to stop a multiple lynching.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I'd be glad of some allies in the dangerous time ahead. Will you take this lonely outlaw's hand in temporary friendship?

For the time, I will.

EDIT: Kuru and Eonwe - I'm not blindly following the phantom, but I can think of a few good reasons to keep him here for a while longer. Not the least because he is posting strategy.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I'm trying to figure out about Gil's actions of being suicidal. Could it be trying to bluff us into keeping him alive. More likely I would think he was trying to protect someone else. But that'd mean he's connected to that person...I don't see how Gil could be an innocent and be suicidal. Why wouldn't he at least stay alive to keep another person here. It just makes no sense to me either way on why to be suicidal unless you want to lose, which again, makes no sense.

There was absolutely NO REASON for Perky to mention Glirdan, so why in the world would a seer say something NEGATIVE about someone who he supposedly knew to be INNOCENT??

That doesn't make sense.

-and-

That is an extremely concrete defense. Perky even says he has an "INNER FEELING".

I think Perky dreamed about Azalia.
-the phantom post 163

I think that if I had to guess who was drempt of it'd be Zali. Before evereyone mentioning Glirdan I hadn't even thought of that possibility of the dream. I probably missed something...

I wouldn't yet cast Zali off as a definite innocent, but I would say she's the one I trust most to be innocent now.

Alright. So you won't accept wholeheartedly my innocent "it was the theatre and my sleeping wot did it" explanation. More power to you. Here's another defence.

I'll take benifit of the doubt of that for now, saying its not the highest suspicious action. However I think that Anguirel needs to explain the lack of incentive to help. This can not be explained by sleeping because not all this time was busy. He also had said he'd let others do the work.

Incidentally, rereading the phantom's post I see a surefire way of removing myself from suspicion.

Villagers, it saddens me to say it, but the phantom is a wolf!

A very strong statement. Without explination too expect for mentioning one post. I'd like more explination please?

I do agree though that the phantom is suspicious. That post is slightly suspicious in the strength of defending another. However I doubt a wolf, especially a previous player, would be so strong in defending a fellow wolf. Maybe if we accept Zali to be innocent he's hoping to follow?

Lalaith seems less suspicious than yesterday to me, but is still suspicious.

Top three are now.
Gil the glowing llama
Anguirel
Wayne This one is harder to get. The top two are very much more ahead than anyone else to me at this point.

As for thoughts upon voting of wolves.
I'd be too noticable to sit out two. It is weird though that even without taking that into account the top two suspicious for me are in the list of those who didn't vote.
Makes me wonder about strategy of these wolves of either making others look guilty or why they'd sit out two.
That being said, I'd expect the wolves to have voted for different people. Again, to keep themselves separate.

Beyond that all I can say is I hope we have better luck than we've had.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Márcolië Lamen

A very strong statement. Without explination too expect for mentioning one post. I'd like more explination please?

Another ludricrous attempt to defame my reputation, madam. I do not genuinely suspect the phantom; this was a joke based on the phantom's clearing of Kuru on the grounds that Kuru had accused him, and that no true wolf would dare to pick a fight with him!

EDIT: Missy, you call for me to defend myself. To that I reply-I do not deign to defend myself from the smearings of a wolf!

Alright, you want something better than that. On the first day, we have nothing to go on, except threads and patches, and you see where they got us. Two dead braves. I was simply keeping my thoughts in reserve and waiting for the situation to develop...only then the twisting path of fate deprived me of its climax. Had I been able to, I believe I would have condemned Glirdan to death, leaving Cailin still among us, and still suspicious...

[Márcolië Lamen]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Another ludricrous attempt to defame my reputation, madam. I do not genuinely suspect the phantom; this was a joke based on the phantom's clearing of Kuru on the grounds that Kuru had accused him, and that no true wolf would dare to pick a fight with him!

Oh, I'm sorry about my reading of it. You mention the joke. I hadn't been able to see that. I'll accept that explination and remove the idea of that being anything more suspicious than living in our infortunate town. I completely missed what you were saying and wouldn't have said it if I had noticed it. Sorry.

edit- reply to your edit:
There is something in lying back until we have information. I agree. I can't take back suspiction, especially when I still can't help but feel your actions to be that of a wolf.

If you innocents feel me to be the best to codemn to death and agree with Anguirel's statements so be it. I am acting suspiciously, I won't deny it. I know I'm not going to last the whole time here. I just want to help the village as much as I can before I'm condemned to death either through looking too suspicious or getting to close for comfortant for the wolves. However, if you focus your intents upon an innocent such as myself then the wolves may manage to hide behind that. I'd watch out for followers in every accusation, even before votes, for patterns.

[Anguirel]

Truce, Marcolie? Your reply satisfies me entirely for now, and I'm vaguely on the scent of a rather larger and grimmer trail; though I won't throw my bombshell till I've heard more from the others...and may not even throw it at all...

I'd be glad of some allies in the dangerous time ahead. Will you take this lonely outlaw's hand in temporary friendship?

[Márcolië Lamen]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Truce, Marcolie? Your reply satisfies me entirely for now, and I'm vaguely on the scent of a rather larger and grimmer trail; though I won't throw my bombshell till I've heard more from the others...and may not even throw it at all...

I'd be glad of some allies in the dangerous time ahead. Will you take this lonely outlaw's hand in temporary friendship?

Truce, your reply statisfies me too and I feel others require more focus. I'd be glad to not forget about suspisions because I can't, but at least focus on those which require more. *shakes hands* Truce.

[Eonwe]

um i got work today(2:30-6), and right after that, i go to buy a suit. homecoming, that everlasting bane of hard-earned cash. so if i vote it will have to be at 2:00-15. so...

for what it's worth, im a bit leary of teh phantom. it just seems that everyone takes him at his word to easilly. as soon as he mentions his thoughts on perky's dream (zali), alot of people start agreeing. (and i could see how that would be a pretty important bit of info) i guess the logic behind makes sense, but still...
i just think that we shouldn't blindly follow until we have quite concrete evidence for his benefit. that goes for anyone, i guess. (i am masterful at stateing obviousness! )

yeah other than that, i don't konw what to think...

[Kuruharan]

I'm beginning to think Anguirel and Márcolië Lamen require watching. The way they were acting seems a little...odd.

im a bit leary of teh phantom. it just seems that everyone takes him at his word to easilly.

-and-

i just think that we shouldn't blindly follow until we have quite concrete evidence for his benefit.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

i am masterful at stateing obviousness

Somebody has to do it.

Where has Spawn gone off to? I've been waiting for her insightful post for some time now.