Welcome to Tol-in-Gauroth XI 'Fall of the Fall'

[arcticstorm]

He is basically saying that, if X is a Wolf, then Y is innocent, but if X is innocent, then Z is a Wolf. Who better to know of the guilt and innocence of X, Y and Z than a Wolf, and what better way to point us in the wrong direction when one of them is killed or lynched than this kind of reasoning?

first of all, let me update your post a little I am saying if X is awolf then y is quite possibly innocent, but if x is innocent than z is quite possibly a wolf. There are no guarantees to this, but I just tend to try to follow a more deductive approach using the inductions that others have already stated.
With Azalia

I'd appreciate hearing why you tink I'm the second wolf, Arctic. You didn't really explain yourself.

I have you on the list following Boromir's inductions about a wolf probably voting for Gil.

I am less supicious of Perky right now because he seems too suspicious, like Formendacil yesterday. Right now everyone is suspecting him and he needs an advocate, even if it is not that good of one. Even if he is guilty, what the village needs is to look at everyone through all lenses, and not just focus on a few suspicious behaviors and only focus on those. My induction is that the wolves will be playing on this and are going to allow him to live as long as we do, because the village is supecting him. I am not saying he is innocent, but I am saying at least one, if not two of the wolves, are going to be among the least supicious in the village. They will not beleading the attack on perky, but they will join in, and not near the end either, somewhere in the middle if that is where it ends up.

[Boromir88]

I'm not sure what to make of this opposition against arcticstorm. Either he's fooled me and he's fair in language, but since I find myself agreeing with him right now, I can't vote for him. His theories make sense, and as he's said...

first of all, let me update your post a little I am saying if X is awolf then y is quite possibly innocent, but if x is innocent than z is quite possibly a wolf. There are no guarantees to this, but I just tend to try to follow a more deductive approach using the inductions that others have already stated.

I am less supicious of Perky right now because he seems too suspicious, like Formendacil yesterday.~arcticstorm

I also agree with this.

The interplay between Eomer and SaucepanMan is indeed becoming very interesting. And SpM's theory of Eomer being a sacrificial wolf is intriguing though possibly misguided. I hope that all we have here is two misguided passionate people who find guilt in each other.~mormegil

Or two wolves playing a game with eachother, which is quite scary. Though with Eomer's words and early vote I doubt it as a strategy a wolf would use, but nevertheless something that I wouldn't doubt Sauce and Eomer trying to pull off.

Marcolie's cooled my suspicions, but I said earlier I wanted to hear more from Alcarillo. Nothing's changed and this particularly gets me worried...

I'm here! And I say "Lynch somebody whose death would give us the most information".

I would never propose this strategy, let's lynch someone who we get info out of, even if he's innocent. It may be Alcarillo's strategy, as an innocent, and possibily looking down the road, but this is something I do not concur with or I would not propose unless that person is becoming a burden on the village. Which I do not see Perky as being yet.

I won't vote for Alcarillo today, because one it will throw yet another name out there, and two I don't think it will go anywhere, but I want to hear an answer tomorrow. (If I'm alive).

I'm going to follow Eomer and say...

++Saucepan

He worries me.

[Cailín]

So, currently tis

Saucepan - 2
Arcticstorm - 2
Perky - 2

Boromir88 - this is the second time you vote the same way as Eomer (though not literally). Are you sure you wish to be in league with a suicidal wolf?

[Boromir88]

Boromir88 - this is the second time you vote the same way as Eomer (though not literally). Are you sure you wish to be in league with a suicidal wolf?

Being a simple villager I don't know who's a wolf and who isn't. So, of course I'm always worried about who I'm siding with and who I'm suspecting, at any moment I may be wrong. As I said earlier I have no reason to suspect Eomer as of yet, could be good, or could mean my own death, only time will tell.

Well, I must be off, supper time then I won't be back.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Decisions, decisions. I think I will vote now. I believe that we should keep the number of suspects down as a way to make wolves nervous. So I'll vote for someone already on the table. The person on the voting list that I am least suspicious of is Perky, and it seems like people want to lynch him because of the information it would bring, and not because they are sure he is a wolf. It's just convenient that his death, innocent or not, would tell us something.

Sauce (due to his strong assertions and passionate argument against Eomer) and Arctic (because I think his reasoning is flawed) both send up red flags, but I think Saucy's red flag is a little redder.

++Sauce

because of that paradoxial part of WW: defend yourself and you look suspicious, but you can't just let yourself be lynched, either. It's the way he's going about defending himself that looks suspicious to me. I'm very sorry that I can't give any better explanation than that...it just sends up red flags to me.

edit: cross-posted with Marcolie and Boromir (that is, they posted while I was still working on my reply)

[Cailín]

This is strange. How did SpM get blamed for my attacks on Eomer? I don't believe, Azaelia, you have read everything quite thoroughly, either that or you're suddenly high on my suspect list. I can imagine why the wolves would find SpM a bigger threat than me, for I fully accept he is a generally more intelligent player than I am, but I cannot believe a villager would vote for him because of what I suggested today.

Be back soon with more...

[The Saucepan Man]

Interesting. As matters stand I get lynched, even if Perky or arcticstorm get another vote each.

I wondered, when I talked about Eomer putting me in a dangerous position by giving me the first vote of the Day, whether anyone would take the bait. It seems that the bait has been well and truly taken.

I rather tend to the idea that Eomer is not a Wolf. He just seems too guileless to me at the moment. If he was a Wolf, I would expect him to play much more intelligently, rather than putting himself well and truly in the firing line as and when I am proven innocent. And he just doesn't seem the type to volunteer for the sacrificial role out of a group of three Wolves.

But it is clear to me that either Boromir88 or Azaelia is a Wolf, for their subsequent votes for me. What an opportunity for the Wolves to rid themselves of one thorn in their side (me) while implicating another (Eomer). It's unlikely that both are, as that would be risky, but it's a possibility.

At the moment, my inclination is that, out of the two, Boro is the more likely Wolf. his vote for me came out of nowhere - he previously suggested that he tended to trust me - whereas Azaelia has at least expressed doubts about me previously.

I will save my vote, as I may have to save myself. And believe me that, although I am innocent, I will not hesitate to do so, as I believe that the village is better off with me alive. If I don't have to save myself, I will probably vote for Boromir88.

[The Saucepan Man]

Double posting because I had not read Azaelia's post properly.

Originally Posted by Azaelia

Sauce (due to his strong assertions and passionate argument against Eomer)

Could you point me out where I have made any strong assertions or passionate arguments against Eomer to-Day, please? I might have had justification to do so, but I don't believe that I have sought strongly to argue his neck into the noose.

Azaelia and Boro now look equally suspicious to me.

[arcticstorm]

I am inclined to beleive that Saucepan is innocent, so I will try to seve him from the noose if I can, unless it condemns me.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Summary of votes so far

SpM (3)
Boromir
Eomer
Zali

Artic (3)
Abercrombie
mormegil
Perky

Perky (5)
Alcarillo
wilwarin
Cailin
SpM
artic

Azaelia (1)
Marcolie

I'm debating throughing another name into the mix to spread out votes, but am not sure whether or not to yet.


edit: updating votes as people vote

[The Saucepan Man]

Her and SPM seemed a little to chummy for my liking. It seemed to me, that Cailin could do no wrong in SPM's eyes (probably because he realised that she was the seer.)

I figured out that Cailin was most likely to be the Seer on Night 3 as I reviewed the Day 2 proceedings. A number of her comments seemed to indicate that she had dreamed of me and found me to be innocent and that she had dreamed of Eomer and found him to be a Wolf. Both of us were likely candidates for early Seer dreams. So, on Day 3, I was keeping my eye out for further evidence to back this belief up. That came with a further comment from Cailin and, most particularly, Eomer's strong attack on her. I was also fortified in my belief by Boro's indication that he had spotted Cailin's comments. My only fear was that Cailin was a tricksy Wolf pretending to be the Seer. Luckily, that fear was groundless.

I was also quite certain that Cailin had dreamed of Azaelia on Night 3 both because Azaelia, having attracted a lot of suspicion, was a likely dream candidate and because of Cailin's comments about her. So, had I survived to the end, I would not have voted for Azaelia. That said, however, I would most likely have turned on Formendacil. I never strongly suspected Alcarillo, despite the fact that he transgressed most of the "rules" that I posted at the outset.

Abercrombie, I thought that your Hunter declaration was very strange at the time. But it turned out to be a stroke of genius. Had morm's declaration gone unchallenged, we most likely would have lynched wilwa that Day, and so an innocent would have died in any event. But you kept the suspicion on mormegil, meaning that two vocal innocent villagers (morm and me) could be disposed of at a stroke and preventing a known innocent from hanging around and being a thorn in the Wolves' sides (as morm would have been a risky kill).

Finally, although all credit goes to the Wolves for the win, I would just like to point out that the Villagers managed to kill three Wolves, which is pretty good going in comparison with other games. So due credit too to my fellow innocents and the gifteds.

[Cailín]

I was also quite certain that Cailin had dreamed of Azaelia on Night 3 both because Azaelia, having attracted a lot of suspicion, was a likely dream candidate and because of Cailin's comments about her.

It's funny though I instantly regretted having dreamed of Azaelia the moment I sent her name to Holby. It proves that the best strategy for a Seer is not dreaming of the ones who gather the most suspicion during the day (because you can pretty much count on them being innocent anyway and if not, you'll find out soon enough), but rather the people you want to be able to trust.

I still regret I condemned Perky to the gallows - that was my fault indeed -, but my dream about Eomer then proved to be the wiser choice. Though my other candidate for the third dream, Formendacil, was also proven innocent in the end, it would have told me far more than a dream about someone I just wanted to be able to protect, after feeling serious guilty towards Perky.

[Boromir88]

I thought it was interesting that day where Boromir and Formendacil came out and gave a little bit of an arguement to each other and said they were suspicious of each other then both quickly turned on another, I believe Azealia~mormegil

Yea, but then I bought Azaelia's "innocent" outcry, just didn't believe you for some reason. Mostly because I didn't see why a wolf would come out and claim to be the Hunter after the real Hunter did, though now I see why and Abercrombie did wonderful in sucking me in.

When arctic was lynched and found to be a Wolf, I was convinced that the remaining Wolf was Boro.~Sauce

I kind of was thinking along those same lines too. If I was not to die that night, what would I say to convince the villagers I was truly innocent. Basically, I was thinking, if I was a wolf, and I had that much control over how voting would of turned out, I would have ended it that day, and not of wanted to drag it out another day when anything could happen.

But at the end of voting, it was pretty clear to me that, Azaelia was innocent, or atleast I bought it, and if she was a wolf she played it great, Formendacil was innocent, because she just at this point seemed very befuddled, and that Alcarillo was the wolf, because he had been playing very safe in voting lately. I was definitely going after him, but he made the wise choice of killing me then jumping on with Formendacil.

Well played by all our wolves. And if it wasn't for Cailin I probably would have foolishly followed Eomer (which I was doing up until that when she specifically said to me that it wasn't wise to follow a suicidal wolf).

[Márcolië Lamen]

First and foremost, congratulations Alcarillo and the wolves. I would never have suspected you if it continued at the same pace.
At the same time good job to all other villagers and gifted, we managed to kill three wolves, which is difficult too in such a village-both the other games I read/played in all three wolves made it out alive which makes this a nice change .

Thank you wolves for killing me when I asked for it. This game is too addicting for its own good and, much like Abercrombie I found myself needing to get out for school related reasons. Ironically before the whole hunter deal happened I was debating being a suicidal villager and just coming in voting for myself and disappearing.

Abercrombie just wow. If you hadn't had to get out because of homework causing you to greet the wee hours of the morning (now you know how I feel :P) you probably could have made alot of damage (well for me I don't think my innate ability of trusting you too much was very helpful). But the way you got out definitally threw a curve ball. And was exceedingly memorable as well as taking down a gifted with you

Holby, thanks for the entertaining deaths for all. You made a great mod.

All in all, thanks for a great game all and I hope to play again sometime when finals are not on the horizon.




p.s. If anyone cares to know, the worst thing possibly in a werewolf game is an attack cat. You know how many times I've typed up this reply not to mention all of the ones I said during the game.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

... Formendacil was innocent, because she just at this point seemed very befuddled...

"SHE"???



Please tell me that is a typo... or something...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hail the victorious Wolf! Alcarillo, you were tremendous.

And I have to agree with previous sentiments: This was a high-quality game and everyone can feel pleased with the contributions of Wolves and Villagers.

Abercrombie, I confess to gawping at my computer screen in amazement when you did what you did. I was highly sceptical of the plan. But I must retract those suspicions, for it worked out very well in the end to take out the known innocent. Well done!

And Arcticstorm (all these A's, eh?), 'twas a shame that I never got to strategise with thee, but I'm proud to say that it was my hopeless suspicion of you being the Seer that allowed you to join our team. It was the comments about Perky Ent that made me think that. You played wisely throughout.

I thought that there was a good chance that Cailín was the Seer, but I realised that killing her at night would point straight to me in any case. If she'd dreamt about me then there was no hope in defending myself anyway. And bagging the Cursed Villager was about as lucky as we could have got!

O, one other thing. Why did I pick on SpM? Because I knew it would be so much fun! Two suicidal wolves in one team? It worked out in the end.

And I too praise Holby with great praise. Very original modding.