Welcome to Tol-in-Gauroth XI 'Fall of the Fall'

[Boromir88]

I am less supicious of Perky right now because he seems too suspicious, like Formendacil yesterday.~arcticstorm post #120

And I said...

I also agree with this.~post #125

And my main reason for not voting for him.

Which you go further on to say in the post I quoted you on above...

Right now everyone is suspecting him and he needs an advocate, even if it is not that good of one. Even if he is guilty, what the village needs is to look at everyone through all lenses

and...

They will not beleading the attack on perky, but they will join in, and not near the end either, somewhere in the middle if that is where it ends up.

Which you joined in, though it was towards the end, but as you say "a wolf wouldn't join towards the end, but in the middle..."

And since I think arctic is possibly a wolf, I wouldn't doubt if we had a Sauce-arctic duo, who seem to be connected, yet not in a strong way. Arctic says, if Perky's a wolf he wants to write off Sauce (with a few other names-I think Wilwa and morm, though I think he might have just tried to throw them in there) as an innocent.

Just an idea but how about we lynch who ever we think the Wolves might have chosen last night? I know we can't really know that since we don't know who the wolves are, but its just an idea.~Wilwa

Not a bad idea, our situation is becoming desperate, this may be of some help.

Edit: I got the suspects, but just debating if I want to save it for tomorrow, I might as well do it now.

[The Saucepan Man]

The situation is already dire, Boro. A third of the Villagers are now Wolves. You are right that we need to catch a Wolf to-Day. Which is why I believe that all of the remaining innocent Villagers (and I can assure you that (still) includes me) need to think clearly and carefully to-Day. It is not a Day for half-cocked accusations or hasty voting. We need to look at all the evidence that we have so far, if possible with freash eyes. It is very easy to get stuck in the rut of suspecting and accusing the same people each Day. Suspicions accumulated over the two Days may well prove right, but each Day the evidence changes and we need to look at it with fresh eyes. This is even more true now than it was before as we unfortunately have a new enemy to contend with, someone who will not have been thinking like a Wolf up until now. On the plus side, it does increase our odds of catching a Wolf, but that is little comfort.

In any event, for these reasons, I am reconsidering everything anew. I have done much thinking to this end overnight but, given the addition of an extra Werewolf, I need to think some more.

For now, here is the voting from yester-Day, in the usual format:

1. Eomer for SpM (SpM - 1)
2. Wilwa for Perky (SpM - 1; Perky - 1)
3. Mormegil for arcticstorm (SpM - 1; Perky - 1; arcticstorm - 1)
4. Alcarillo for Perky (SpM - 1; Perky - 2; arcticstorm - 1)
5. Abercrombie for arcticstorm (SpM - 1; Perky - 2; arcticstorm - 2)
6. Boromir88 for SpM (SpM - 2; Perky - 2; arcticstorm - 2)
7. Azaelia for SpM (SpM - 3; Perky - 2; arcticstorm - 2)
8. Marcolie Lamen for Azaelia (SpM - 3; Perky - 2; arcticstorm - 2; Azaelia - 1)
9. Perky for arcticstorm (SpM - 3; Perky - 2; arcticstorm - 3; Azaelia - 1)
10. Cailin for Perky (SpM - 3; Perky - 3; arcticstorm - 3; Azaelia - 1)
11. Arcticstorm for Perky (SpM - 3; Perky - 4; arcticstorm - 3; Azaelia - 1)
12. SpM for Perky (SpM - 3; Perky - 5; arcticstorm - 3; Azaelia - 1)
13. Formendacil for Azaelia (SpM - 3; Perky - 5; arcticstorm - 3; Azaelia - 2)

I will post my further thoughts, either later tonight or tomorrow (RL time).

In the meantime, might I ask why you suddenly voted for me out of the blue yester-Day, Boro? It is all very well to say that I am vocal and articulate and therefore, if a Wolf, dangerous. But that equally applies to you, and to a number of others here. And it was only your latching on to Eomer’s vote for me, without having previously given any indication that you might vote for me that turned my suspicions towards you. I thought I saw an attempt to use Eomer as a “patsy” and kill two (innocent and, for the Wolves, troubling) birds with one stone, as it were. But, as I said, I am now considering everything afresh. Basically, as matters stand, I am not discounting anybody. But neither do I intend making any rash accusations.

Edit: Cross-posting with a few people there.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Zali, why I had 'felt' you suspicious is well summerized by Sauce

Azaelia - for posting relatively frequently but saying very little. And for voting for me, on very shaky grounds, and thereby trying to eliminate both me and Eomer from the game.

However, since then I have changed my mind, reading today and find you to be one of lesser suspision, mostly through a better logical mind, but also very importantly because of more suspicion on Sauce.



Morm - I'd be inclinded to trust him before last night, however I think he'd have been one of the likelier victims of the wolves if they choose to try to set someone up. I don't think Morm is one of the original wolves.

Formendacil- too quiet, suspicious for that in itself. I don't think Form is the forth wolf, but possibly one of the three trying to stay inactive.

Wilwarin-attracted suspision but never acted on, voted for Perky twice which could point either towards an innocent convinced, or a wolf trying to eliminate a danger who ended up being more. Very unlikely the fourth wolf but suspisions lie upno Wilwarin for being one of the original three.

Saucepan Man- I hadn't suspected Sauce before today, but between going so strong today saying he was innocent, as well as the bantering and arguing, even leading to voting, between Eomer and him have me convinced at least one is a wolf.

Eomer- Like Sauce suspisions on Eomer are largely increased today. The logic against Cailin and going as far as saying Cailin is a wolf seems very wolvish, but at the same time seems too risky. Eomer is on the top of my suspect list now, but also seems like an innocent drawn to go all out.

Arcticstorm-Like Wilwarin has attracted suspision that has since fallen off.

Alcarillo-Another quiet one, but not to the degree of Form. Possibly a quiet hidden wolf.

Abercrombie-not attracted much suspision, which is the main reason I'm suspicious of her, either as a ex-cursed, or as a wolf. I wouldn't find Abercrombie suspicious except for it seems like the wolves are always who you least expect. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now though.

Marcolie-Looking at suspicious activity yesterday, someone in my place wouldn't be my target if I was a wolf. Following this I am not the ex-cursed.
Most suspicions that lie upon me are because of my vote yesterday. I did so because I had nothing against Perky or Sauce, and hoping to spread votes more. If I was in the same position now I would have voted for Sauce now instead. Reading what I am saying to me makes me look like I'm implying I have some extra knowledge as a seer or something, which I also am not. I am just an ordinary villager and would not like to draw people into false pretense of knowing anything more than them. I agree I look suspicious though.

Azaelia- at the end of yesterday was the most suspicious in my mind. With the growing suspision on those who had convinced me of her guilt before I voted, suspision is dying down. But I won't sit back and forget Azaelia either. I just feel like I have no reason to suspect her now. But this is all relating to the original three wolves. I think this suspect but not over on anyone may be a a good one to have been targetted by the wolves.

Boromir- I stick with my idea of Boro not being one of the original three wolves. Also, not one of the likely to have been targeting for trying to target someone else, but one that'd be more likely to be targetted as someone not very strongly suspected.

Cailin- I stick to the idea of Cailin not being one of the original three, however I think Cailin is alot more likely than Boro to have been the target of the wolves last night, for both not someone very strongly suspcted and someone who could have been used for a set up.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's absolutely genius of The Saucepan Man to do exactly what I did (say that Formendacil is suspicious and then think better of it) and manage to criticise me for doing it. Bravo! You are without a doubt the cleverest wolf I have ever heard of; and my grandfather used to tell me tales of all sorts of clever wolves when I was a lad.

Also, Mormegil: You, sir, are very creative.

I'm actually quite enjoying this.

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Marcolie

Cailin- I stick to the idea of Cailin not being one of the original three, however I think Cailin is alot more likely than Boro to have been the target of the wolves last night, for both not someone very strongly suspcted and someone who could have been used for a set up.

This only goes if Eomer is indeed innocent - which he is not. He's guilty of both wolvery and trying to poison this village mind. I do agree, I was expecting to be dead today and if I wasn't me and didn't know I'm still alive, I would have definitely thought along the same lines as you there.

Originally Posted by Eomer

So just what does "He would never have attacked SpM were he an innocent" mean, exactly, if not that innocents would not attack SpM?

I think SpM quite explained what I actually meant there. And who knows, maybe I was just trying to express my undying love for The Saucepan Man.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Whether it's today or tomorrow or the day after that, this village is going to kill you (Me and Saucy).

Oh yes, I have no doubt. But which side of the village? I certainly will not let you enjoy to see either of us lynched by our fellow villagers. (I don't know whether to trust Sauce. Maybe I'll attack him tomorrow. But that's not very likely and will certainly not be toDay.)

Originally Posted by Eomer

I'm actually quite enjoying this.

Because you know exactly what is going here.

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This will not be a surprise.

++EOMER OF THE ROHIRRIM

That's not just a vote. It's a vow.

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I'll have more thoughts on other possible wolves later.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Look at the attention I've drawn to myself – without need.

It's never the obvious choice.

[mormegil]

The Saucepan Man 38
The Perky Ent 23
mormegil 16
Eomer of the Rohirrim 15
Cailín 15
arcticstorm 14
Boromir88 11
Márcolië Lamen 10
Holbytlass 8
wilwarin538 8
AbercrombieOfRohan 8
Alcarillo 7
Azaelia of Willowbottom 6
Formendacil 5
Shelob 5
Gil-Galad 4

This is the current list of all who have posted and how much. A couple of things strike me. Firs is the general lack of posting for Formendacil, a mere 5 posts? Also it raises suspicion of those who are in the middle category such a Alcarillo, Azaelia, Abercrombie, and Wilwarin of the numbers Now there is nothing wrong with being a middle talker but those who don't add to much such as Alcarillo trouble me. Also my impression of Abercrombie is that she is trying to add but mainly following the lead of others. Out of those five I mentioned I am most troubled by Alcarillo and Abercrombie, though if I don't begin to hear at least a little more from Formendacil I will begin to look more his way too. My concern of Márcolië Lamen has remained static and after toDAY's proceedings, barring she isn't lynched, I will look at her again but toDAY is seems as though Eomer and SpM are stealing the spotlight, wanted or unwanted they have it.