Welcome to Tol-in-Gauroth XI 'Fall of the Fall'

[arcticstorm]

So they got the seer,
I knew that they would find him eventually, unfortunately with the cursed villager caught, not all of the seer's dreams will be able to help us. I tend to concur with Mormegil's choices on the dreams, as they seem to fit. I will be going and analyzing previous events and will let you in on my own two cents worth afyer I examine everything.

[Boromir88]

A brave sacrifice my lady Cailin, thankyou in helping us with the wolf you found, and I'm sure this will help us weed out the others. I thought she was going to go today. After her words when I sided with Eomer Day 2 of voting, it was pretty apparent she was the Seer. That's why I was surprised she wasn't killed that Night. I hope this goes to my benefit of now showing people my innocence. I knew she was the Seer before, and I don't care what's the risk, if a wolf spotted the Seer they will have the Seer killed that Night, it's the most dangerous role in the game.

I concur and agree that she did also dream of Sauce. So, that makes me see less suspicious of him. It doesn't mean that he isn't the newly turned wolf, however as I explained yesterday I don't think Sauce would be a target for wolves. They usually don't kill loud-mouths until they become a big thorn in the wolves side, Wolves typically go after possible dangerous players, yet ones that don't leave a big trail to follow.

I will post what I normally do, but here's my thoughts coming into today. Ok, so I think we have one wolf that didn't vote for Eomer (maybe two).

DID NOT VOTE for Eomer:

Mormegil
Wilwarin
Formendacil

All these people look suspicious. I'm more inclined to believe Wilwarin is the wolf here. With Eomer's fate still uncertain she gets the voting within 1 between Eomer and Alcarillo. Plus said basically nothing yesterday except she was sorry for voting for Perky.

I would also attach suspicion to Mormegil and Formendacil. Formendacil's vote seemed like a throw-away, didn't have enough in ya to vote for a fellow wolf? Mormegil's vote is less suspicious, he was pretty suspicious of Alcarillo all day long (as was I). But, both aren't as suspicious as Wilwarin's that came out of the blue...possibly to try to swing the anti-Eomer opposition?

I think we also have probably two wolves that voted for Eomer. At this point I'm more inclined to believe that they were the ones who voted at the end (Marcolie, Abercrombie, arctic, Azaelia) once it was pretty apparent Eomer was going to be hanged.

Marcolie's is less suspicious as it gets Eomer ahead by two, but Abercrombie and arctic's seemed like tagging along to go unsuspected. Azaelia just seemed to vote, to throw off suspicion from herself. Especially when I spotted the only person she really strongly suspected that day was Marcolie. (Though I may have missed something).

Alcarillo's actions just seem way to suspicious to be a wolf. With so much question going to him, I would expect a wolf to say something in his/her defense, Alcarillo seems to go along with the majority, which is a characteristic of a wolf, or an innocent persuaded by arguments.

So my wolves at the moment are: (No real order and subject to change at any moment).

Wilwarin
Azaelia
arctic

I feel pretty confident now that Sauce is innocent. As much as we would think that wolves would go after a "leader" such as Sauce, it typically isn't the case early on. Though, I have been fooled, and it's still possible.

[Boromir88]

What I don't understand is why Boromir and SpM brought attention to it by saying they weren't going to bring attention to it.

Mormegil, I didn't really bring attention to it. The post is there for everyone to read, I basically said if you're interested in wondering why I'm suspicious of Eomer you'll have to look for it. To me it was pretty clear with Cailin and my exchange the night before, Cailin was the Seer and she had dreamed of Eomer. Honestly, I really didn't think we could have been more blatant in that exchange except for declaring that she was the Seer. Which was why I was surprised she wasn't killed that night. With that, I felt a little foolish in following Eomer in his vote for Sauce, but I can't take it back and wasn't going to make the same mistake the next day.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by mormegil

This seems pretty close to an accusation. That would mean that Cailin dreamt of SpM, Eomer, Articstorm and Marcolie.

But Cailin only had three dreams before being slaughtered by the Wolves (discounting the dream they interrupted last Night).

Arcticstorm is a possibility, although she did say that he was not entirely cleared yet. My feeling is that, if she dreamed of a Wolf, she dreamed of wilwarin. And if she dreamed of an innocent, she dreamed of Azaelia:

Originally Posted by Cailin

Wilwarin - I think Wilwa might be one of our wolves here. She attracted some suspicion during the last few days, but never quite enough to get her in any real danger. When we started suspecting her, it was together with the other quiet villager Azaelia, but now Azaelia is the only one still really on our radar. It’s hard to explain, but if Azaelia is innocent, I think Wilwarin is definitely someone to look at.

Originally Posted by Cailin

Azaelia - I do not think she’s a wolf. She has been attracting suspicion since Day 1, yesterDay at the end of voting time, everybody suddenly believed her to be furry and evil. Sure, she has a little explaining to do, but I’m one of those crazy ones who think that the more suspicion people attract from the beginning, the more likely they are innocents.

It looks the more liekly to me that she dreamed of Azaelia and found her to be innocent. Azaelia would have been a logical choice, given that she was looking very suspicious at the end of Day 2. Also, I directly accused her of being a Wolf, and Cailin would still have fully trusted me at that point. My question is, if Cailin dreamed of the Cursed villager that Night, the Night that the Cursed tranformed, would that person have been revealed to her as an innocent or a Wolf?

Boro, I am pretty confident that you are innocent too. You and I have one suspect in common (wilwarin), but I would ask you to take a close look at mormegil.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Another was your most recent post. Why such a strong defense when there has been no attack?

Um - that came well after you accused me of having undergone a change in behaviour.

I would have thought that the answer is obvious. Part of my case against you is your eagerness to point out yester-Day that, even if Eomer was a Wolf, that did not mean that I was innocent and your "whacky" theory involving me as the fourth Wolf sparring with Eomer-Wolf. In order to put that case, I needed to show why it was unlikely that I was the fourth Wolf.

Originally Posted by mormegil

I wasn't anticipating having a showdown with you today, but you are seeming rather intent on it. I must ask myself why?

Again, a no-brainer. I believe that you are a Wolf.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Poor Cailin, her sacrifice caught a wolf. Her extreme hinting in the end was a sacrifice for us so we must take it and have at least some innocents suvive because of her sacrifice.

Reading through I must agree, I appear to be a pretty strong possiblility of being dreamed to be a wolf. I won't be able to prove my innocence so if you must lynch me then don't keep me around to take attention away from those truly guilty.

I feel Azalelia to have been the one drempt and shown to be innocent, at least before the wolves got their fourth member.

In terms of SaucepanMan I have been persuaded that he is most likely not the ex-cursed, but I am not sure. We know he wasn't one of the original three at least...and it'd be more likely a quiet one had become the wolf instead of such a leader. We can't make assumptions though.

Most likely one wolf didn't vote for his or her peer and two did. I'd say at least one of these are within the last few to vote because at that point he was unsavable. The last four people were Me, Abercrombie, arctic, and Azaelia. I know I had an excuse to voting late, but it would not persuade anyone of my innocence. I had written up my post and went to submit it and lost wireless for an hour before I was able to actually vote because we were leaving school and I was trying to get it in before we got out of the wireless range.

So I suspect at least one of
Abercrombie and
artic

because they were the only two within the last 4. Possibly Azaelia too if she was not the one drempt of.

on Alcarillo I don't know what to think. The actions seem one of a wolf, but could also be an innocent, and with the little defence I wonder if he hopes people will defend him if he doesn't defend himself...

In terms of wilwarin I feel wolf. Hasn't posted much of value, and partnered with one of the three who didn't vote for Eomer and my theory that one didn't, the most suspicious one becomes even more suspicious.

In terms of Morm I feel a possible ex-cursed. Definitally not one of the original three but as a vicitim makes sense, and hasn't helped at all since we were unfortunately cursed. I wouldn't say I suspect him half as much as I did Eomer yesterday, but I can't cast him off as an innocent.

Boro and Form I suspect to be innocent, Form because of voting for Sauce yesterday instead of a wolf-on-wolf vote. (or was it bluffing?) and Boro because of the overall helpfulness.


High suspision
Wilwarin
Morm

Middle suspision
Arcticstorm
Abercrombie

Middle/Low suspision
Azaelia
Alcarillo
Formendacil
Boromir

Low Suspision
Marcolie
Saucepan Man



I know this will be cross-posted with some so sorry for repetitions

[mormegil]

I hope that no ill comes of this, but I feel that it will help the greater good even though it's likely I will die. I am the Hunter! I attempted to hint to SpM in saying that I know he's not gifted but seemingly he has me stuck in his head as a wolf and won't reconsider . Now I do this because it will help give some clarity to our councils and cut out this seemingly endless blather about Mormegil being guilty.

Originally Posted by Márcolië Lamen

In terms of SaucepanMan I have been persuaded that he is most likely not the ex-cursed, but I am not sure. We know he wasn't one of the original three at least...and it'd be more likely a quiet one had become the wolf instead of such a leader. We can't make assumptions though.

This was my goal, I wanted people realize that SpM is not necessarily innocent. I agree it's not likely he's a wolf but let's please keep that in mind that we can't assume.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Good try Morm the wolf. But alas! You are not the hunter, because I am! I surely expect to die tonight at the paws of your murderous devious little fellows.

Saucepan, your suspicions of the treachrous deviant are completely based in reason. You've already set out detailed claims of mistrust against Morm, so I shall not repeat them. I cannot stress this enough Do not hesitate to ask for more proof on my part , for I am willing to give. But as of right now, I have quite a lot of studying to be doing and I can't provide it. It is quite clear to me, who at least one wolf is tonight.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by AbercrombieOfRohan

Good try Morm the wolf. But alas! You are not the hunter, because I am! I surely expect to die tonight at the paws of your murderous devious little fellows.

Interesting! Unless our Moddess made a mistake, which isnot likely, your claims of huntership are patently false. I must say that I am glad that I stepped forward because now I know my death will not be in vain, for if I am lynched today I will bring you down with me. But as to your lynching or mine, I will let the village decide that fate.

Originally Posted by AbercrombieOfRohan

It is quite clear to me, who at least one wolf is tonight

Quite so my dear!

[The Saucepan Man]

Good grief! Well, there's a turn of events!

So, unless anyone else comes along and claims to be the Hunter ( ), we know for sure that either morm or Abercrombie is a Wolf.

My inclination is to trust Abecrombie. If she was a Wolf, she would surely not claim to be the Hunter simply in reaction to a declaration by a mormegil-Hunter, as she is not in particular danger at this time. Given what has been said so far to-Day, a Wolf-mormegil is more likely to claim to be the Hunter than a Wolf-Abercrombie. Plus I had mormegil pinned as a Wolf in any event.

What do the others think?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

My inclination is to trust Abecrombie. If she was a Wolf, she would surely not claim to be the Hunter simply in reaction to a declaration by a mormegil-Hunter, as she is not in particular danger at this time. Given what has been said so far to-Day, a Wolf-mormegil is more likely to claim to be the Hunter than a Wolf-Abercrombie. Plus I had mormegil pinned as a Wolf in any event.

Oddly this makes me feel that SpM is innocent. Let me explain, I am along with AoR (and her two mates) are the only ones who know the whole truth. I find it difficult that a Wolf-SpM would come to her defense after such a blunder. Because when it is found that I am innocent then we will know AoR is guilty and that would naturally implicate SpM as suspicious. But by his coming to believe in her makes me think he is simply a misguided innocent. I offer myself to be lynched today because I know that I will be able to kill a wolf now, whereas at night I have no guarantee.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by mormegil

I offer myself to be lynched today because I know that I will be able to kill a wolf now, whereas at night I have no guarantee.

Well, clearly we should lynch one of you as, if we get the wrong one, he or she will take the Wolf in Hunter's clothing with him/her.

But which one?

Thoughts anyone?

[Márcolië Lamen]

edit: what I had said wasn't true and I just realized.

Of the two I'm more inclined to trust Abercrombie because Morm is on suspect list anyways...but that may be why the wolves are trying to take him down..

[Boromir88]

Boro, I am pretty confident that you are innocent too. You and I have one suspect in common (wilwarin), but I would ask you to take a close look at mormegil.~Sauce

Indeed I have and now I will be so bold as in to say Wilwarin and Morm are both WOLVES. Mormegil has been a lot like Eomer in attacking Sauce. This is what the wolves have to do. To kill him would be far too dangerous and incriminating so they try to scheme up these wild possibilities and theories, that seem appealing but really have no basis behind them.

And Eomer and Morm seemed to be quite chummy between eachother yesterday...

Also, Mormegil: You, sir, are very creative.~Eomer, Post 191

To kill Sauce would be far to incriminating, especially if he was right on who are remaining wolves are (which I think he is), so they scheme up a plan to use against him to try to get him lynched. It's funny how I felt the same things that Mormegil was thinking of Sauce at first. I thought I wouldn't doubt it if Eomer and Sauce are both wolves going at eachother to fool everyone. But, once realizing Sauce wasn't an original wolf, and I doubt he's the ex-cursed, I backed off, while Mormegil still tries to push it.

I'd say Mormegil is our wolf and Abercrombie is our hunter. Why did Mormegil reveal his identity? There was no reason to. Really only Sauce was breathing down his neck, I was skepticle, but now it's very apparent to me morm's a wolf trying to get away with his treachery.

Abercrombie's revealing of herself makes perfect sense, because Abercrombie's the hunter and morm was lying when he revealed himself. There was no need to spout out he was the hunter, it was an attempt to get all of our suspicions off of him. If Mormegil was the hunter, there was no reason to reveal himself, he wasn't under that much suspicion, only from Sauce. Thankyou Abercrombie for stepping up, and letting us find another of these lupines.. If you didn't pick wilwarin tonight, I would suggest you to hunt wilwarin if the wolves go after you. But that's just my suggestion, you are the one who has to decide.

++mormegil

[Boromir88]

If that's hard to follow about, basically between who to believe morm or Abercrombie...

IF mormegil was the hunter, why did he feel the need to reveal his identity? To me there was no reason behind it, he acted like we forced him out of it. Which means he obviously is a wolf, trying to throw away suspicion, and get away with his treachery. Why he revealed himself just doesn't make sense IF he was the hunter, which makes him a wolf.

Abercrombie, if she was the hunter, she needed to reveal herself and I'm glad she did. If morm's trying to pass as the "real" hunter, it makes perfect sense for the true hunter to come out and say, hey I'm the hunter here. Morm's "I'm the hunter" was an attempt to stop suspicion from building up, and I'm glad Abercrombie has stepped up and revealed her identity. We now have another wolf down.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Great game, everyone. I well deserve the name "Wrong-Way Azaelia" for this one. Brilliantly played, Alcarillo. Absoloutely amazing.

I must pose a question to Formendacil: Why were you so sure I was a werewolf that you thought you could just put yourself out there and say "WEREWOLF!!"? What did I do wrong? (Well that would be a very long answer!)

This was SO MUCH FUN. I lasted longer than I ever have in a game of WW...and that last day was a kind of warped fun, pleading for my life was an interesting experience!

Good job, all!

[Holbytlass]

My wolves Eomer, Abercrombie, Alcarillo and Arcticstorm.

I swear I folded a sheet of paper in 16 equal size parts, wrote everyones name and split them up. Then I had my three darling gals take turns and pick the special roles, mixing in between pickings. So it was coincidental I had 3 A's and all vowel names for the wolves. And believe me, I had to keep looking in my notes to keep them straight, especially with Alcarillo and Arcticstorm.

This was an exciting game and I was not rooting for a specific side to win, but there were defintely times I had know idea where things were headed. I'm really pleased that you all liked the storyline, and thanks again for the reps.

But I am glad to get my life back , my brain is fried and I want to read WWJr I game and hop on board with LOTR Survivor.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Azaelia of Willowbottom

I must pose a question to Formendacil: Why were you so sure I was a werewolf that you thought you could just put yourself out there and say "WEREWOLF!!"? What did I do wrong? (Well that would be a very long answer!)

Remember that analysis of you and Alcarillo on the last day? Where I went a listed voting records and such? What you see there is what was going on in my mind... Quite frankly, I thought then, and I still think, that you were the one who had the more incriminating voting record.

And, by the way, a great deal of thanks to Boromir and all those who kept up their day-after voting tallies. Those things were a lifesaver (no pun intended).

The thing is that I am really bad on picking up hints from seers and such. All that I really good with working with is the actual votes... and my analysis was that your voting habits were worse than Alcarillo's... although we all looked pretty bad there at the end.

As for my "vibes" from the earlier days regarding you being suspicious... nothing but groundless feeling. I could blame it on the "z" in your name, and that would be as true as any other reason I could come with. Except maybe your quietness. I suspect quiet players of being Werewolves a lot more than the noisy ones...