WWJ I: A New Saga, A New Beginning... Or Is IT!?!?!?

[The Only Real Estel]

You've spoken well in the last DAY, Gurthang. But the evidence is against you. I will list my case now if I can.

DAY one Bergil encourages us to cut you some slack before we were really considering lynching you. A wolf sticking up for a wolf?

Again on DAY one, when I came across this, posted by malk:

"As promised, i have returned with more suspicions. I had to ask myself the question, who would want to kill a poet? Clearly not Gurthang or Hiriel , as both musicians and librarians enjoy such art forms."

I thought it was interesting. If malk turned up wolven (which is all but confirmed now) I knew I needed to look closer at Hiriel & you. Now Hiriel has been cleared, that leaves you. Clearing people on account of the logic malk used may be in jest or it may not. I am now thinking that it wasn't made only in jest...

Then, after Kitanna's death, you posted this: (post #61)

Posted by Gurthang:

I would believe, however, that the wolves would kill someone who did not directly have contact with them either way. This would leave absolutely no trail.

Voted for Kitanna:
Gurthang

Mentioned by Kitanna:
Eonwe
Wayne
Gurthang
Thinlómien
Folwren
Feanor

Mentioned Kitanna:
Feanor
Rune
Folwren
Gurthang
Hiriel

The fact that you happened to be on all three list of people associated with Kitanna struck me as odd & something to keep my eye on.

Also, you used Kitanna's death as a forum to clear yourself of wolvery:

It would be downright stupid for a wolf to kill the person they voted for, especially if they were the only one to vote for said person. It might be a good bluff, but it would draw far to much suspicion to be effective.

Saying basically that you couldn't be a wolf because Kitanna was killed? Now I see that Kitanna was killed to give you a chance to clear yourself.

You pressed SR for more of a reason for "jumping in" on malk - which isn't bad unless you are trying to throw suspicion on an innocent for jumping on one of your counterparts.

You pressured me for information on the seer, which is not bad in itself, only another piece to the puzzle as the pieces fall into place.

And one more thing: Bergil, malkatoj, & Gurthang ALL voted for Sleepy Ranger last round. Normally the wolves wouldn't want to be grouped together like that, but they no doubt figured they had a good chance of saving Bergil completely (which they nearly did) & so were forced to jump on SR.

That is my case & the facts surrounding it. I'm sure more can be found, but I'm fairly sure we don't need more now...

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.

[The Only Real Estel]

I am now off for a bit of a rest (sleep), I shall return after my cat nap (8-9 hours or so ) to see what's been said.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.

You know, if I wasn't me, I'd look at the evidence and vote for me. Which probably doesn't help me any.

Oh, and to even further push myself to get lynched: you forgot to mention that I voted for Sleepy to put him ahead of Bergil yesterday.

So what then can I say in defense? Nothing. Everything points to me. I'm not a wolf, but you're not going to believe me anyway, so why bother.

[malkatoj]

Originally posted by Gurthang :
You know, if I wasn't me, I'd look at the evidence and vote for me.

I know! I feel the same way. With all the evidence pointing in our directions, I think it leaves us with no choice but to do a whole bunch of insane stuff during the day and hope for a really sweet death.

But they can only kill one of us. Or they could be cool and listen to my sig and lynch Calculus.

[Thinlómien]

I'm really sorry that I didn't vote last day, but I've been having time difference problems You all post most of your arguments when it's around 02-06 AM my time (GMT +2). And last time I thought that if I voted around 8.30 AM my time I would be in time, but as you have noticed, I was late from the vote. So today I'm going to vote, no matter when.

This has gone very interesting. TORE's and Fëa's ranger+seer theory is quite interesting, and I don't find any holes in it. But, of course, they could be cheating. (For their own fun - I don't believe them being werewolves.)
So if they aren't in count, there are still malkatoj, Rune son of Bjarne, Sleepy Ranger, Jack (Folwren), Eonwe, Hiriel and me. So, who are werewolves?
Rune - difficult to say. Could be a wolf.
malkatoj - there have been good points against her. She is maybe a wolf.
Sleepy Ranger - at first I was quite suspicious about him, but now I'm not so much. I wonder what's that for.
Jack - probably the most difficult. I can't say anything. Can be a wolf, can be innocent.
Eonwe - probably innocent.
Hiriel - seems innocent, but that can be only an illusion. Can't tell.

I'll post more later.

And for further references, I'm a she.

[Gurthang]

malkatoj: please don't talk about me. Hopefully, we will lynch you toDay. When you are proven a wolf, I would like to not have you connected to me.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sigh... My plan was quite useless in the end but it did help me figure out that Bergil was evil but I would've understood that anyway... As for figuring out who the Seer was, back when Fea point at Malka I was half sure so I said just go for it. Anyway after tieing together a lot of things (and thanks to TORE) I have decided that Malka and Gurthang are the final two wolves but I'm more certain Gurthang is one...
Something I read last night convinced me of this, as soon as I find it I'll put it up.

malkatoj: please don't talk about me. Hopefully, we will lynch you toDay. When you are proven a wolf, I would like to not have you connected to me.

Hmm... In my mind this gets you two more connected...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.

I know that my chances of survival are... shall we say... slim? tonight. But is the plan that we lynch malka (who you seem certain of, and your logic impresses me) and I dream of Gurthang just to be certain? As I said before, I'm still not certain on Sleepy, but if you truly think he's innocent, I won't waste the dream.

Oh, TORE, just for posterity's sake, can you tell us who you protected last night? I'll be relieved if it was me, but knowing the luck I had today (running late, failed a psych test, class ran long, late to cs, sore from dance, tripped up stairs, couldn't see a show because I had to write several papers) you dreamt about somebody else. That would just be the perfect end to a long day, that... finding out you spent the night hovering outside Jack's house or something. I hate superfluous revelations. *sigh* Okay... bed time for exhausted little girls like me. Maybe I'll have a nice dream in RL.

Can't wait to see what the morning brings.