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10-08-2005, 05:31 PM
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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10-08-2005, 06:08 PM
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Kuruharan wrote:
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I find it hard to imagine Iluvatar saying "Wow, Sauron's really doing quite a job with this ring he's making. I think I'll give it a soul." It would be a situation somewhat analogous to the Dwarves, except that Eru gave them fear only because Aule had intended good. If you ask me, the "soul" behind the Ring is not a fea but an eala - specifically, Sauron. Last edited by Aiwendil; 04-09-2006 at 07:38 PM. |
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10-08-2005, 06:27 PM
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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However, I don't think that the part of Sauron that went into the Ring was entirely "Sauron" after that point. I think it was something else...note how if somebody else (read Gandalf) claimed the Ring and mastered it the Ring would be able to survive even though Sauron's spirit would be permanently broken.
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10-08-2005, 08:23 PM
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My apologies on misinterpreting, but anyway...
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That's being rather picky, of course, but the survival of the Ring and the survival of its will are not completely the same thing, according to our understanding of speech. In general, I agree with your statements, but your assertion there was somewhat flawed.
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10-09-2005, 02:14 AM
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I wonder if Tolkien was inspired by the story of The Giant who had no heart - though its a common theme in folklore. The giant is impervious to harm because he has placed his heart in some obect which is hidden away
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It has been shown by Shippey that Tolkien often took mythological themes & tried to 'reconstrcuct the 'actual' story that had been lost - see his esay on Light Elves & Dark Elves in Tolkien Studies vol 1 - Norse mythology mentions 'Light Elves & Dark Elves (losalfar & swartalfar), but doesn't explain what they are or what the difference is. Tolkien constructs an 'explanation' & comes up with the Calaquendi & the Moriquendi. Maybe with the relationship between Sauron & the Ring he was doing the same. Of course, this doesn't offer an explanation in terms of the story of Sauron & its workings within Middle-earth, so we're not much further forward.... |
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10-09-2005, 09:00 AM
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...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no... Last edited by Kuruharan; 10-09-2005 at 09:02 AM. Reason: Clarity |
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10-09-2005, 01:49 PM
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If the Ring is being used/held by a new Dark Lord, it continues to exist. There is a still a perfect golden band with hidden Mordorian inscriptions on somebody's finger. I wasn't saying that it would be exactly the same... Or being 100% serious.
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