LOTR Survivor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 07:08 AM

Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap.

Look at him. The cold-blooded satirist, the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly, and all that jazz, the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies.

In his hour of ascendancy, my friendies, Saucie toppled Samwise and Frodo, (with my help, I don't deny) calling Sam corrupt and Frodo a wimp. He it was who led the culling of Elves in the post-Celeborn rush, such as the fey but immensely watchable Thranduil, and the venerable Cirdan.

He it was who tore down Faramir, sensitive poet and pacifist, calling him a bloodstained brigand and extortioner on the scale of King John. He it was who tried to defend Grishnakh over Eomer. He it was who used risible and contradictory arguments to discredit Eomer and Eowyn, gabbling every needle-point he could; one moment saying they didn't make good footage, another that they were goodie-goodies, another that they were "jocks".

Now this steely politician shows his heart-and, citizens of the Downs, I entreat to stab into it. Strike the blow against Pippin, whether you wish to avenge Sam, Frodo, Celeborn, Aragorn, Faramir, Eomer, or Eowyn. It all amounts to the same thing.

This Machiavellian cynic had no mercy for your favourite characters, Downers. Let him receive none!

--MERRY, ++PIPPIN

PS Saucie, don't try and defend Pippin with quotations from the books. We know it's all made up; Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father...

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-10-2005, 07:23 AM

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Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap.

If a trap it be, it is one that I have gladly walked into with my eyes fully open. It's the least that I can do to defend the gallant little Hobbit. I can hardly stand by and let him go undefended while the baying mob calls for his blood.

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The cold-blooded satirist ...

You are too kind. But you honour me with far too much credit here. I have merely played my part, as have all others who have voted.

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... the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly ...

Guilty as charged. Pippin makes good telly.

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... the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies ...

It is a curious fact that, as regards the adventures of Merry and Pippin, the Red Book is suprisingly accurate.

Really, Anguirel, I never realised that I had so much influence. As you offer it to me, and since it seems to have irked you so, I will gladly take the credit for bringing down all those frauds. The sad truth, however, is that I have little influence here. Those who wield the influence in this thread do so in much more devious and murky ways than I, using devices that I would not stoop so low as to use.

But hear this. All that I have ever done has been in the interests of keeping the show interesting and the tribes equally distributed. See, I am even prepared to sacrifice a Hobbit to further this aim.

Pippin is clearly going to-Day, whatever happens. But the symbolic nature of your re-vote for him is noted, Ang. It does you no credit.

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Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father...

*Turns other cheek*

Lalaith · 10-10-2005, 09:02 AM

*claps excitedly*

Ang vs Saucie! Give them their own programme! Much better even than Survivor...

the guy who be short · 10-10-2005, 10:55 AM

++Galadriel

Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years...

Formendacil · 10-10-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by the guy who be short

++Galadriel

Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years...

I already did.

++Galadriel

Boromir88 · 10-10-2005, 11:49 AM

You know what...tgwbs is right! Galadriel is evil. If it wasn't for her telling Boromir she wanted the Ring, he wouldn't have gone after Frodo. She killed me, that temptress!

++Galadriel

Celuien · 10-10-2005, 12:11 PM

Galadriel is most certainly not evil! Let's review the evidence against her...

Boromir88 states that she was responsible for his counterpart's demise. Entirely untrue. Galadriel only showed what the members of the Fellowship already had in their minds, although they might not have consciously been aware of it yet. Any insight she gave Boromir into his hidden desires saved the Quest. What if his desire for the Ring had come to the surface in Mordor? Disaster. It was only because the confrontation took place early that Frodo was able to escape with the Ring and fulfill his mission.

Yes, Galadriel has her faults. But she was able to conquer her faults through wisdom - wisdom earned through hardship and the pain of knowing that all of her works would come to nothing in the end. Yet she did not despair or yield to her temptation to take the Ring. Rather, she chose to reject the Shadow though she doomed her own realm along with it.

Have pity on Galadriel, last of the Elves on the island! The future of Middle-earth has been given to mortals. To the Elves is granted only memory of the past and a longing for the greatness that might have been had Arda not been marred by Morgoth. Even if the Hobbits/Man lose on Survivor, they have still won a victory that the Elves cannot: they will ultimately control the future of Middle-earth. Give Galadriel one triumph before she must diminish and sail into the West by allowing her to become the Survivor victor.

++PIPPIN

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 12:21 PM

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.

Sooo...

We return to the elementary question; what makes the best Reality Telly?

((This post-modern approach is so ironic. Half us probably haven't seen a single episode of Big Brother, Survivor, or that ilk...I must confess to having watched the former once. I was disgusted to see them picking on an unfortunate, ah, lass called Kitten))

First, we have Merry and Pippin. Their chirpy humour went down well at first, but really it's running thin now, especially as the tabloids have exposed Pippin's faked university CV and Merry's past as a pot-dealer. Pippin is a whining child of privilege and Merry is just so flipping responsible, while being self-effacing and lost-looking. Depressing showing. Voters' favourites to go.

Then we have Hama. Unpopular beaverish beard hides chummy, matey behaviour and dogged loyalty, but not much else. Aragorn's gone so he can't deyfy anyone, and Eomer's gone so he can't obey anyone. He's a rebel/doorkeeper without a cause.

Then Gimli. Actually makes pretty funny jokes, and is a most efficient worker, but is getting disillusioned, crabby, violent and whenever possible drunk. Still definitely worth keeping around.

And Galadriel. A gift to the screen. A gift to the viewers. Makes interaction electric. All the boys are dying to serve her. Throw her off and they'll be listless and purposeless. Keep her on...and the duels and excitement will continue.

Remember people said evicting Grishnakh would stop arguments and take down ratings? Well, Galadriel is a much more powerful version of this situation. Come on, people. Killing Orcs is one thing, straightforward military bragging, like some interminable game of rugby in the Welsh drizzle. But really captivating arguments are the ones that rend the side of good, whether it be the Elves over the Silmarils, the Free Peoples over the rings, or the Elves, Lakemen and Dwarves over Smaug's hoard. This gets even better when Romance is involved. Love triangles. Daeron-Luthien-Beren. Arwen-Aragorn-Eowyn. Aragorn-Eowyn-Faramir.

And Galadriel has had many lovers, all in vain. Feanor, Celebrimbor, Gimli.

Gimli who is still here.

Give that up, and you're really not a judge of good television.

10-10-2005, 07:08 AM	#1
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap. Look at him. The cold-blooded satirist, the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly, and all that jazz, the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies. In his hour of ascendancy, my friendies, Saucie toppled Samwise and Frodo, (with my help, I don't deny) calling Sam corrupt and Frodo a wimp. He it was who led the culling of Elves in the post-Celeborn rush, such as the fey but immensely watchable Thranduil, and the venerable Cirdan. He it was who tore down Faramir, sensitive poet and pacifist, calling him a bloodstained brigand and extortioner on the scale of King John. He it was who tried to defend Grishnakh over Eomer. He it was who used risible and contradictory arguments to discredit Eomer and Eowyn, gabbling every needle-point he could; one moment saying they didn't make good footage, another that they were goodie-goodies, another that they were "jocks". Now this steely politician shows his heart-and, citizens of the Downs, I entreat to stab into it. Strike the blow against Pippin, whether you wish to avenge Sam, Frodo, Celeborn, Aragorn, Faramir, Eomer, or Eowyn. It all amounts to the same thing. This Machiavellian cynic had no mercy for your favourite characters, Downers. Let him receive none! --MERRY, ++PIPPIN PS Saucie, don't try and defend Pippin with quotations from the books. We know it's all made up; Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 09:02 AM	#3
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	claps excitedly Ang vs Saucie! Give them their own programme! Much better even than Survivor... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-10-2005, 11:49 AM	#6
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	You know what...tgwbs is right! Galadriel is evil. If it wasn't for her telling Boromir she wanted the Ring, he wouldn't have gone after Frodo. She killed me, that temptress! ++Galadriel __________________ Fenris Penguin

10-10-2005, 12:11 PM	#7
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Galadriel is most certainly not evil! Let's review the evidence against her... Boromir88 states that she was responsible for his counterpart's demise. Entirely untrue. Galadriel only showed what the members of the Fellowship already had in their minds, although they might not have consciously been aware of it yet. Any insight she gave Boromir into his hidden desires saved the Quest. What if his desire for the Ring had come to the surface in Mordor? Disaster. It was only because the confrontation took place early that Frodo was able to escape with the Ring and fulfill his mission. Yes, Galadriel has her faults. But she was able to conquer her faults through wisdom - wisdom earned through hardship and the pain of knowing that all of her works would come to nothing in the end. Yet she did not despair or yield to her temptation to take the Ring. Rather, she chose to reject the Shadow though she doomed her own realm along with it. Have pity on Galadriel, last of the Elves on the island! The future of Middle-earth has been given to mortals. To the Elves is granted only memory of the past and a longing for the greatness that might have been had Arda not been marred by Morgoth. Even if the Hobbits/Man lose on Survivor, they have still won a victory that the Elves cannot: they will ultimately control the future of Middle-earth. Give Galadriel one triumph before she must diminish and sail into the West by allowing her to become the Survivor victor. ++PIPPIN __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

10-10-2005, 12:21 PM	#8
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I was about to defend Galadriel. Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days. Sooo... We return to the elementary question; what makes the best Reality Telly? ((This post-modern approach is so ironic. Half us probably haven't seen a single episode of Big Brother, Survivor, or that ilk...I must confess to having watched the former once. I was disgusted to see them picking on an unfortunate, ah, lass called Kitten)) First, we have Merry and Pippin. Their chirpy humour went down well at first, but really it's running thin now, especially as the tabloids have exposed Pippin's faked university CV and Merry's past as a pot-dealer. Pippin is a whining child of privilege and Merry is just so flipping responsible, while being self-effacing and lost-looking. Depressing showing. Voters' favourites to go. Then we have Hama. Unpopular beaverish beard hides chummy, matey behaviour and dogged loyalty, but not much else. Aragorn's gone so he can't deyfy anyone, and Eomer's gone so he can't obey anyone. He's a rebel/doorkeeper without a cause. Then Gimli. Actually makes pretty funny jokes, and is a most efficient worker, but is getting disillusioned, crabby, violent and whenever possible drunk. Still definitely worth keeping around. And Galadriel. A gift to the screen. A gift to the viewers. Makes interaction electric. All the boys are dying to serve her. Throw her off and they'll be listless and purposeless. Keep her on...and the duels and excitement will continue. Remember people said evicting Grishnakh would stop arguments and take down ratings? Well, Galadriel is a much more powerful version of this situation. Come on, people. Killing Orcs is one thing, straightforward military bragging, like some interminable game of rugby in the Welsh drizzle. But really captivating arguments are the ones that rend the side of good, whether it be the Elves over the Silmarils, the Free Peoples over the rings, or the Elves, Lakemen and Dwarves over Smaug's hoard. This gets even better when Romance is involved. Love triangles. Daeron-Luthien-Beren. Arwen-Aragorn-Eowyn. Aragorn-Eowyn-Faramir. And Galadriel has had many lovers, all in vain. Feanor, Celebrimbor, Gimli. Gimli who is still here. Give that up, and you're really not a judge of good television. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 10:55 AM	#4
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	++Galadriel Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years...