The Downfall of Numenor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

***Mithadan*** · 02-08-2001, 03:46 PM

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Re: The Downfall of Numenor

Hmmmm. Just came across something relevant.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "The Valar had no real answer to this monstrous rebellion - for the Children of God were not under their ultimate jurisdiction: they were not allowed to destroy them, or coerce them with any 'divine' display of the powers they held over the physical world." Letters, #156 <hr></blockquote>

Now this is odd. Does this mean the Ban had no "teeth"? The Valar could not punish Pharazon and his followers for their rebellion? If Eru had not interceded, the Numenoreans could have set up household in Valinor? Doesn't this militate even further in favor of preventing the rebellion from reaching the shores of Valinor, whether via winds or a new chain of Shadowy Islands?

And does this jive with the facts? Weren't Numenoreans struck by lightning as the rebellion simmered? Didn't the army of Valinor also battle men during the War of Wrath?

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

02-08-2001, 03:46 PM	#24
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,394	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 585</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: The Downfall of Numenor Hmmmm. Just came across something relevant. <blockquote>*Quote:*<hr> "The Valar had no real answer to this monstrous rebellion - for the Children of God were not under their ultimate jurisdiction: they were not allowed to destroy them, or coerce them with any 'divine' display of the powers they held over the physical world." Letters, #156 <hr></blockquote> Now this is odd. Does this mean the Ban had no "teeth"? The Valar could not punish Pharazon and his followers for their rebellion? If Eru had not interceded, the Numenoreans could have set up household in Valinor? Doesn't this militate even further in favor of preventing the rebellion from reaching the shores of Valinor, whether via winds or a new chain of Shadowy Islands? And does this jive with the facts? Weren't Numenoreans struck by lightning as the rebellion simmered? Didn't the army of Valinor also battle men during the War of Wrath? --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.