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Anguirel · 10-16-2005, 12:41 AM

Voting closed.

The rightful High King of the Noldor, Maedhros, has been crowned. He at once magnanimously forgives the rebellions of his uncle, cousins and brother.

Meanwhile, the sea-Maia Osse has been successfully divorced by his wife in a high-profile case, and is dispatched to the Void!

Results up soon.

Anguirel · 10-16-2005, 01:18 AM

RESULTS OF DAY ONE (M-e)

Olwe looked yearningly back across the sea. Today it seemed strangely calm. Was a storm about to strike?

Suddenly a veritable whirlpool came into being; and its centre was the Maia Osse. Behind him were some fifty barracuda in legal wigs. Uinen could be noticed to one side, smugly putting on her make-up.

At last Osse cried out in despair, "Alright! Alright! I'll pay the damages. She can have the house, and I'll, *sniff*, go and join Manwe in the void."

The barracuda retreated and a squadron of tough police dogfish led Osse off. Uinen smiled. It was clear that she had become another emancipated woman...

~~~

RESULTS OF DAY ONE (M-e)

Maedhros, meanwhile, was duly enthroned and crowned High King of the Noldor. He summoned his uncle, two cousins and brother to appear before him. Fingolfin shuddered. What could this violent Son of Feanor be thinking of doing to him? After all, he had planned to lock up Maedhros and Curufin in a tower and then...ah...well, anyway...

Maedhros took him by surprise. The High King shook his cousins' hands warmly, bowed to his uncle, and embraced and kissed his brother.

"Thou art all forgiven, friends, and I shall bestow lands and kingships upon you..."

Later that day came a hooded messenger from Morgoth to parley for the return of a Silmaril. Maedhros consented, but persuaded by Curufin plotted an ambush. Morgoth plotted a more extreme one. The guard of Maedhros were destroyed, and he was captured! In the interim, poor Maglor had the crown foisted upon him.

Yet Fingon, moved as ever by love and respect for his cousin, rescued him with the help of Celegorm and Huan the wonder-hound (since Eagles seemed to be mysteriously absent, other talking animals had to be employed...) And the High King returned to his people.

In that hour did the Sun and Moon rise, bright and beautiful beyond words.

An emissary came from Thingol, and Finrod and Artanis answered it. There the lands allotted to the Noldor were decided, though Maedhros and the princes had taken them already, and Artanis loved Celeborn and became Galadriel, leaving her people.

Finrod found Nargothrond and Turgon Gondolin. Both were built in a day.

Finally, out of the east came there news of approaching unsightly folk; the Dwarves, and later, the Atani, Men...

It's Day Two in Middle-earth.

The contestants:

Tribes

VALAR

Elbereth
Ulmo
Mandos, Doom of

NOLDOR

Fingolfin
Finarfin
Maedhros
Maglor
Celegorm
Celebrimbor
Caranthir
Curufin
Amras
Fingon
Turgon
Idril
Aredhel
Finrod
Orodreth
Aegnor

TELERI/SINDAR

Olwe
Thingol
Celeborn
Galadriel
Mablung
Beleg
Daeron
Saeros
Eol

MAIA/ELF

Luthien

MAIA

Melian
Uinen
Huan
Tilion (with Moon)
Arien (with Sun)

DWARVES

Azaghal of Belegost
Telchar of Nogrod
Mim the Petty-dwarf
Khim
Ibun

MEN

Balan/Beor
Baran
Bereg
Marach
Amlach
Haldad
Haleth
Haldar

FORCES OF EVIL

Morgoth
Ungoliant
Sauron
Gothmog

The fourth challenge: EDUCATION. Teach the Men and Dwarves that they should be nice Elf-friends, and not ally with nasty Morgoth.

WaynetheGoblin · 10-16-2005, 07:34 AM

++gothmog destroy evil.

Lord Melkor · 10-16-2005, 10:08 AM

++Thingol

Remove Thingol, the snobby, human-hating, isolationist ruler of Doriath. Thingol's contempt for humanity reflects very poorly upon the elven race as a whole, especially with Thingol being the most powerful king in Beleriand. Removing him so he can make way for a more human-friendly ruler who will allow them inside Dorath will do much to improve Human-Elven relationships. I don't really know who should succeed him, but considering the fact that there are bits of lemon peel floating down the Sirion who would make a better king of Doriath it really isn't much of a concern I feel.

Lalaith · 10-16-2005, 11:14 AM

I was all set to vote off Yavanna. Soppy tree-hugger who probably wears a lot of cheese-cloth and tie-dye, and clearly sees men and dwarves as a threat to her ickle fuwwy animals.
But then I saw that AngMod had removed her from the lists....so...I've decided to agree with Lord Melkor, particularly as I'm ethically opposed to isolationism.
++Thingol

On the subject of which, I'll be gunning for horrible Turgon sooner rather than later. And as for getting rid of Aredhel - *tsk*, phantom, where are your production values? This is about making an exciting reality tv series, not "lets give the Noldor a really easy life."

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-16-2005, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anguirel

The fourth challenge: EDUCATION. Teach the Men and Dwarves that they should be nice Elf-friends, and not ally with nasty Morgoth.

Yes, Thingol could be fairly xenophobic. But he was not the worst. Who was it who said:

Quote:

If the Men of Hithlum are so wild and fell, of what sort are the women of that land? Do they run like deer clad only in their hair?

Perhaps the worst insult that an Elf could throw at a Man. Ladies and gentleman, I give you the most xenophobic Elf of all time:

++ SAEROS

All Elves can be pretty snooty and superior at times. But surely he must be the most snooty and pompous of them all. He exemplifies all that I dislike in Elvenkind. Make an example of him, and perhaps his fellows will show a little more understanding. Indeed, without his counselling, it is quite possible that Thingol will look more favourably on those of other races. Certainly, with Saeros out of the way, Turin is going to get (and cause) a lot less grief when he comes along.

Alcarillo · 10-16-2005, 12:10 PM

If we get rid of Turgon we make it possible for Beren to only need mom's permission for Luthien's hand in marriage, probably without the need for a Silmaril. No Silmaril in Doriath = No kinslaying. And because Thingol is already gone, we won't get too see him get chopped up by minimum-wage dwarves. We lose a lot of the drama if we get rid of Thingol. And did not Melian's Girdle fail when Thingol died? This brings up an oppurtunity for orcs to roam through Doriath. Luthien won't be allowed outside! And Beren will never find her, and that means no Elwing, no Kings of Numenor!

Thingol is clearly an important part of the story. Take him away, and the other two kinslayings won't happen, Luthien won't meet Beren, and no Kings of Numenor will ever exist, whose dramatic woe-filled lives we will never read about here in the Seventh Age. Keep Thingol, for he is the creator of woe and misfortune!

Glirdan · 10-16-2005, 12:20 PM

Both arguments from Alca and SpM are good, but I'm going to have to side with SpM on this one. At least Thingol allowed Beren to marry Luthien. And who was the one that let Turin stay in Doriath and demanded that his mother and sister go live there as well? Thingol. Saeros is a no good elf who deserved the death he got. (well, will get

) I say get rid of Saeros.

++Saeros

10-16-2005, 12:41 AM	#1
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Voting closed. The rightful High King of the Noldor, Maedhros, has been crowned. He at once magnanimously forgives the rebellions of his uncle, cousins and brother. Meanwhile, the sea-Maia Osse has been successfully divorced by his wife in a high-profile case, and is dispatched to the Void! Results up soon. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-16-2005, 01:18 AM	#2
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	RESULTS OF DAY ONE (M-e) Olwe looked yearningly back across the sea. Today it seemed strangely calm. Was a storm about to strike? Suddenly a veritable whirlpool came into being; and its centre was the Maia Osse. Behind him were some fifty barracuda in legal wigs. Uinen could be noticed to one side, smugly putting on her make-up. At last Osse cried out in despair, "Alright! Alright! I'll pay the damages. She can have the house, and I'll, sniff, go and join Manwe in the void." The barracuda retreated and a squadron of tough police dogfish led Osse off. Uinen smiled. It was clear that she had become another emancipated woman... ~~~ RESULTS OF DAY ONE (M-e) Maedhros, meanwhile, was duly enthroned and crowned High King of the Noldor. He summoned his uncle, two cousins and brother to appear before him. Fingolfin shuddered. What could this violent Son of Feanor be thinking of doing to him? After all, he had planned to lock up Maedhros and Curufin in a tower and then...ah...well, anyway... Maedhros took him by surprise. The High King shook his cousins' hands warmly, bowed to his uncle, and embraced and kissed his brother. "Thou art all forgiven, friends, and I shall bestow lands and kingships upon you..." Later that day came a hooded messenger from Morgoth to parley for the return of a Silmaril. Maedhros consented, but persuaded by Curufin plotted an ambush. Morgoth plotted a more extreme one. The guard of Maedhros were destroyed, and he was captured! In the interim, poor Maglor had the crown foisted upon him. Yet Fingon, moved as ever by love and respect for his cousin, rescued him with the help of Celegorm and Huan the wonder-hound (since Eagles seemed to be mysteriously absent, other talking animals had to be employed...) And the High King returned to his people. In that hour did the Sun and Moon rise, bright and beautiful beyond words. An emissary came from Thingol, and Finrod and Artanis answered it. There the lands allotted to the Noldor were decided, though Maedhros and the princes had taken them already, and Artanis loved Celeborn and became Galadriel, leaving her people. Finrod found Nargothrond and Turgon Gondolin. Both were built in a day. Finally, out of the east came there news of approaching unsightly folk; the Dwarves, and later, the Atani, Men... It's Day Two in Middle-earth. The contestants: Tribes VALAR Elbereth Ulmo Mandos, Doom of NOLDOR Fingolfin Finarfin Maedhros Maglor Celegorm Celebrimbor Caranthir Curufin Amras Fingon Turgon Idril Aredhel Finrod Orodreth Aegnor TELERI/SINDAR Olwe Thingol Celeborn Galadriel Mablung Beleg Daeron Saeros Eol MAIA/ELF Luthien MAIA Melian Uinen Huan Tilion (with Moon) Arien (with Sun) DWARVES Azaghal of Belegost Telchar of Nogrod Mim the Petty-dwarf Khim Ibun MEN Balan/Beor Baran Bereg Marach Amlach Haldad Haleth Haldar FORCES OF EVIL Morgoth Ungoliant Sauron Gothmog The fourth challenge: EDUCATION. Teach the Men and Dwarves that they should be nice Elf-friends, and not ally with nasty Morgoth. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-16-2005, 07:34 AM	#3
WaynetheGoblin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 275	++gothmog destroy evil. __________________ if your happy im happy if your sad im sad if you jump of a cliff i watch

10-16-2005, 10:08 AM	#4
Lord Melkor Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 78	++Thingol Remove Thingol, the snobby, human-hating, isolationist ruler of Doriath. Thingol's contempt for humanity reflects very poorly upon the elven race as a whole, especially with Thingol being the most powerful king in Beleriand. Removing him so he can make way for a more human-friendly ruler who will allow them inside Dorath will do much to improve Human-Elven relationships. I don't really know who should succeed him, but considering the fact that there are bits of lemon peel floating down the Sirion who would make a better king of Doriath it really isn't much of a concern I feel. Last edited by Lord Melkor; 10-16-2005 at 10:11 AM.

10-16-2005, 11:14 AM	#5
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	I was all set to vote off Yavanna. Soppy tree-hugger who probably wears a lot of cheese-cloth and tie-dye, and clearly sees men and dwarves as a threat to her ickle fuwwy animals. But then I saw that AngMod had removed her from the lists....so...I've decided to agree with Lord Melkor, particularly as I'm ethically opposed to isolationism. ++Thingol On the subject of which, I'll be gunning for horrible Turgon sooner rather than later. And as for getting rid of Aredhel - tsk, phantom, where are your production values? This is about making an exciting reality tv series, not "lets give the Noldor a really easy life." __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-16-2005, 12:10 PM	#7
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	If we get rid of Turgon we make it possible for Beren to only need mom's permission for Luthien's hand in marriage, probably without the need for a Silmaril. No Silmaril in Doriath = No kinslaying. And because Thingol is already gone, we won't get too see him get chopped up by minimum-wage dwarves. We lose a lot of the drama if we get rid of Thingol. And did not Melian's Girdle fail when Thingol died? This brings up an oppurtunity for orcs to roam through Doriath. Luthien won't be allowed outside! And Beren will never find her, and that means no Elwing, no Kings of Numenor! Thingol is clearly an important part of the story. Take him away, and the other two kinslayings won't happen, Luthien won't meet Beren, and no Kings of Numenor will ever exist, whose dramatic woe-filled lives we will never read about here in the Seventh Age. Keep Thingol, for he is the creator of woe and misfortune!

10-16-2005, 12:20 PM	#8
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Both arguments from Alca and SpM are good, but I'm going to have to side with SpM on this one. At least Thingol allowed Beren to marry Luthien. And who was the one that let Turin stay in Doriath and demanded that his mother and sister go live there as well? Thingol. Saeros is a no good elf who deserved the death he got. (well, will get ) I say get rid of Saeros. ++Saeros __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf